Ross, Geertjan’s “humor” was racist, transsexist, and disrespectful. mine was deserved, after a long thread of him engaging in bad faith. so no, they are not comparable and my joke was certainly not “as” unnecessary/unhelpful
frankly, I am sororities you can’t discern the difference here and once again you have chosen to admonished *me* on list instead of the people who are clearly trolling, engaging in bad faith, or otherwise trying to frustrate our efforts On Sat 11. May 2019 at 01:17, Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com.invalid> wrote: > Naomi, > > That is as unnecessary and as unhelpful as the "humor" you (rightly) > pulled Geertjan up on earlier. Lets hold everyone to the same standard. > > Ross > > ________________________________ > From: Naomi Slater <n...@tumbolia.org> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:30 PM > To: diversity@apache.org > Subject: Re: Diversity in a diverse world > > productive thread after all > > On Sat 11. May 2019 at 00:28, Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > While you all struggle to figure out how unconscious bias works in > relation > > to trans women in on-line communities where no one has a clue about > whether > > someone is a trans woman, I'm now actually physically going to > unsubscribe > > from this mailing list. > > > > Gj > > > > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 12:02 AM Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Mark Thomas wrote on 5/10/19 4:22 PM: > > > > On 10/05/2019 20:55, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > > >> Yes, I have a lot to learn — for example, I don’t know nor care > about > > > the > > > >> sexual or gender orientation of anyone in the Apache community where > > I’m > > > >> focused on: Apache NetBeans. > > > >> > > > >> Can you simply explain why any of this matters, when I cannot > possibly > > > >> discriminate against anyone’s sexual or gender orientation since > code > > > and > > > >> coding do not reflect or express these orientations in any way > > > > > > True, but code is not the most important question: community is. It's > a > > > cornerstone of the Apache Way, and is both a widely used catchphrase > > > across the ASF as well as being specifically documented: > > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ftheapacheway%2Findex.html&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=%2Bft8FCdio26sv5bW6azA3PTL6IsPUIpOxWUnnSMl85c%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > If all contributions at the ASF were anonymous that would be true. > But > > > > they are not. > > > > > > Project communities are made of of people. Long-term project longevity > > > relies on attracting new people to contribute to our projects: yes, > they > > > bring code, but they also improve the community. > > > > > > > A couple of things to consider: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ftechnology%2F2016%2Ffeb%2F12%2Fwomen-considered-better-coders-hide-gender-github&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=vU%2FNGhNuRX%2Bb5pHIXLd335nN8wYwRZq%2Bb0n%2F%2FtXvv88%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > The underlying study from 2016 is thorough and has disappointing data: > > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeerj.com%2Farticles%2Fcs-111%2F&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=zBL5ghAI2tOm9MxOD45ObHo%2BHvhhf8T6ECXnDTafF8M%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > Google "Unconscious bias" > > > > > > A great Monktoberfest conference talk addressed this very same issue - > > > in a small scale, but with some very specific results: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoJ17en7-MwY%26list%3DPLvsKqlNNP3R8HobEa53Noe7xcDJFg0dop%26index%3D5&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=TiR7w9hZiZ6Bl7LvfpBxCxiTqOFC2jdYoFkmVYkXnfM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > ...snip... > > > > I don't want anyone to feel unwelcome at the ASF. If there are > things I > > > > can do to make other people feel more welcome then I want to find out > > > > about them. > > > > > > Bonus Monktoberfest talk I found useful: Better Living Through Empathy > > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqcpVs-7d6Ys&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=MUtD5q0I2eWeVnwOD78RMZcFZXJ9uc4sS2lv%2BloLwus%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > -- > > > > > > - Shane > > > Member > > > The Apache Software Foundation > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > > > > > > > > >
