productive thread after all On Sat 11. May 2019 at 00:28, Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> wrote:
> While you all struggle to figure out how unconscious bias works in relation > to trans women in on-line communities where no one has a clue about whether > someone is a trans woman, I'm now actually physically going to unsubscribe > from this mailing list. > > Gj > > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 12:02 AM Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> > wrote: > > > Mark Thomas wrote on 5/10/19 4:22 PM: > > > On 10/05/2019 20:55, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > >> Yes, I have a lot to learn — for example, I don’t know nor care about > > the > > >> sexual or gender orientation of anyone in the Apache community where > I’m > > >> focused on: Apache NetBeans. > > >> > > >> Can you simply explain why any of this matters, when I cannot possibly > > >> discriminate against anyone’s sexual or gender orientation since code > > and > > >> coding do not reflect or express these orientations in any way > > > > True, but code is not the most important question: community is. It's a > > cornerstone of the Apache Way, and is both a widely used catchphrase > > across the ASF as well as being specifically documented: > > > > https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html > > > > > If all contributions at the ASF were anonymous that would be true. But > > > they are not. > > > > Project communities are made of of people. Long-term project longevity > > relies on attracting new people to contribute to our projects: yes, they > > bring code, but they also improve the community. > > > > > A couple of things to consider: > > > > > > > > > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/12/women-considered-better-coders-hide-gender-github > > > > The underlying study from 2016 is thorough and has disappointing data: > > > > https://peerj.com/articles/cs-111/ > > > > > Google "Unconscious bias" > > > > A great Monktoberfest conference talk addressed this very same issue - > > in a small scale, but with some very specific results: > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ17en7-MwY&list=PLvsKqlNNP3R8HobEa53Noe7xcDJFg0dop&index=5 > > > > ...snip... > > > I don't want anyone to feel unwelcome at the ASF. If there are things I > > > can do to make other people feel more welcome then I want to find out > > > about them. > > > > Bonus Monktoberfest talk I found useful: Better Living Through Empathy > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcpVs-7d6Ys > > > > -- > > > > - Shane > > Member > > The Apache Software Foundation > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > > > > >
