Naomi, That is as unnecessary and as unhelpful as the "humor" you (rightly) pulled Geertjan up on earlier. Lets hold everyone to the same standard.
Ross ________________________________ From: Naomi Slater <n...@tumbolia.org> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:30 PM To: diversity@apache.org Subject: Re: Diversity in a diverse world productive thread after all On Sat 11. May 2019 at 00:28, Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> wrote: > While you all struggle to figure out how unconscious bias works in relation > to trans women in on-line communities where no one has a clue about whether > someone is a trans woman, I'm now actually physically going to unsubscribe > from this mailing list. > > Gj > > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 12:02 AM Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> > wrote: > > > Mark Thomas wrote on 5/10/19 4:22 PM: > > > On 10/05/2019 20:55, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > >> Yes, I have a lot to learn — for example, I don’t know nor care about > > the > > >> sexual or gender orientation of anyone in the Apache community where > I’m > > >> focused on: Apache NetBeans. > > >> > > >> Can you simply explain why any of this matters, when I cannot possibly > > >> discriminate against anyone’s sexual or gender orientation since code > > and > > >> coding do not reflect or express these orientations in any way > > > > True, but code is not the most important question: community is. It's a > > cornerstone of the Apache Way, and is both a widely used catchphrase > > across the ASF as well as being specifically documented: > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ftheapacheway%2Findex.html&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=%2Bft8FCdio26sv5bW6azA3PTL6IsPUIpOxWUnnSMl85c%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > If all contributions at the ASF were anonymous that would be true. But > > > they are not. > > > > Project communities are made of of people. Long-term project longevity > > relies on attracting new people to contribute to our projects: yes, they > > bring code, but they also improve the community. > > > > > A couple of things to consider: > > > > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ftechnology%2F2016%2Ffeb%2F12%2Fwomen-considered-better-coders-hide-gender-github&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=vU%2FNGhNuRX%2Bb5pHIXLd335nN8wYwRZq%2Bb0n%2F%2FtXvv88%3D&reserved=0 > > > > The underlying study from 2016 is thorough and has disappointing data: > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeerj.com%2Farticles%2Fcs-111%2F&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=zBL5ghAI2tOm9MxOD45ObHo%2BHvhhf8T6ECXnDTafF8M%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > Google "Unconscious bias" > > > > A great Monktoberfest conference talk addressed this very same issue - > > in a small scale, but with some very specific results: > > > > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoJ17en7-MwY%26list%3DPLvsKqlNNP3R8HobEa53Noe7xcDJFg0dop%26index%3D5&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=TiR7w9hZiZ6Bl7LvfpBxCxiTqOFC2jdYoFkmVYkXnfM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > ...snip... > > > I don't want anyone to feel unwelcome at the ASF. If there are things I > > > can do to make other people feel more welcome then I want to find out > > > about them. > > > > Bonus Monktoberfest talk I found useful: Better Living Through Empathy > > > > > > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqcpVs-7d6Ys&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=MUtD5q0I2eWeVnwOD78RMZcFZXJ9uc4sS2lv%2BloLwus%3D&reserved=0 > > > > -- > > > > - Shane > > Member > > The Apache Software Foundation > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > > > > >
