As long as we are comparing "war stories", despite previously maligning IOR hulls, the fastest I've gone in a keel boat was on *Marauder* in the long distance race of the 1975 Canada's Cup on Lake St. Clair, when it was blowing the shingles off the roof, and we had a #2 on the spinnaker pole. The bow wave was breaking at the chain plates, and the speedo was pegged at it's max reading of 12 Kts for a long time. That was before GPS, so we really had no idea how fast we were going. And that was with a tiller steered boat. *Maraude*r could out reach *Golden Dazy *easily, but couldn't touch her upwind. *Dazy* took the series,3-2, winning all the "inshore" races.
Rob Mazza On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The 35 MK I does not come close to planning like a modern sport boat. > > The best I have done in flat water is 11 knots boatspeed with 50-60 knots > on the stern and the working job up. At that speed the stern is sunk nearly > to water level. In any kind of the waves the boat will surf/plane DOWN the > waves, but you drop speed on the upside. Max speed I think I have ever seen > is 15-16 knots surfing down 20 footers . The only C&C I have ever seen > plane like a Laser would be the SR-21. I think the only true “planing” C&C > s would be the SR series and maybe the newest 30 foot model. > > > > *Joe Della Barba* > > Coquina C&C 35 MK I > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert > Mazza via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 12:08 PM > *To:* Dave Moore > *Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Planing/Surfing C&C hulls? > > > > Not a definitive analysis, but my recollection is that the older CCA type > hulls, C&C 35s, 43s, and certainly the 61s were better off the wind than > the later IOR influenced hulls, which were better upwind than the older > boats. However, it would be interesting to hear from owners on that > subject. > > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Dave Moore <drolfmo...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi Rob and Hank, > > Did any of the C&C models have a particular strength in surfing (or > planing) down wind in 15 to 20 knots true wind speed? Years ago I recall > talking to Rob Ball about the importance of prismatic coefficient in > surfing performance but I was remiss in not asking what C&C models have the > strongest surfing potential. > > Thank you > > Dave > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 30, 2014, at 3:14 PM, henry evans via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > > > Your knowledge of the history of C&C designs is truly amazing. I enjoyed > reading your tutorial. > > > > I never knew Eric was in the kitchen business. After I and a bunch of > others left the faltering C&C, I spent 10 years in brick manufacturing > which landed me in Des Moines, Iowa. Exiting that business, I bought an > Architectural Millwork company and two years later a kitchen cabinet > manufacturing and remodeling company. We ran those two for 20 years, > quadrupled their size and sold them to retire on our trawler. And we did a > few boat interior remodels as well, both power and sail. Our C&C 29 > "Illusion" is still winning races on Lake Rathbun, in SE Iowa. > > > > We are docked at the Naval Air Station Marina in Jacksonville, FL where > Ann has been undergoing tests at Mayo Clinic. As I look out into the > mooring area I can see the distinctive lines of a C&C 35 MK I. A few docks > is a Landfall 38. It is amazing how many C&C's we see as we travel up and > down the ICW each year. They are still the best looking boats on the water > ! > > > > Cheers from Queen Ann's Revenge, > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:32 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > > > Another interesting mid Cuthbertson and Cassian design, before the > creation of C&C Yachts. Big George tells me that *Psyche II*, designed > for Bob Grant, a future Commodore of RCYC, was essentially a sister to > *Ivanhoe > II* which proceeded *Psyche *by a couple of years. *Ivanhoe II *was > design number 64-4 for Comm. Ray Engholm, also of RCYC. She was built in > aluminium at Engholm's aluminium fabrication company Macotta. In actual > fact Erich Bruckmann installed the interior in *Ivanhoe* after he left > Metro Marine and had gone into the kitchen installation business. It was > probability the building the interior on* Ivanhoe* which kept him in the > boat business. The building of the interior at the same time as the hull > led to all sorts of problems with the aluminium welds in the hull, but > that's another story! *Psyche *was design number 66-4, and followed the > Redwing 30, *Inferno II*, and * Red Jacket*, and immediately preceded the > Redline 41 and the Whitby 45. Therefore, unlike Ivanhoe, *Psyche* was > designed with a separate keel and rudder. She was also built in aluminium > by Enholm's company Macotta, but I'm not sure who installed the interior. > Possibly Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts. *Ivanhoe,* which had a full > keel and attached rudder was also later modified to the separate keel and > rudder configuration. Neither boat was specifically successful on the race > course, since the *Ivanhoe* hull lines preceded *Red Jacket,* and Engholm > himself was a tad more conservative then Perry Connolly in the type of boat > he wanted. The *Ivanhoe/Psyche* "sisters" were part of the transition in > yacht design taking place in the 1960s. It's great to see *Psyche* still > looking so good. A remarkable boat. > > > > Bob Grant would be part of a number of Canada's Cup syndicates, and later > owned a C&C 48, one of George's last designs at C&C, before he handed > design responsibilities over to Rob Ball. Bob Grant also bought an Aurora > 40, I believe, Mark Elis' first design after parting company from C&C > Custom Sales. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, J Roger <johnbobro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The 1968 43' Aluminum PSYCHE II: > > > > > http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/43-aluminum-c-and-c-custom-sloop-1968-42-000-florida-132804.html > > > > Would be grand to learn more about the history, building techniques and > sailing characteristics. > > > > Cheers > > > > J > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > The first six were built by Kurt Beister, on the East Frisian Islands in > northern Germany. Most likely designed by Henry Gruber, but modified for > North American requirements by Cuthbertson and Cassian with the addition of > a CCA type yawl rig and the modification of the ballast casting to add more > lead. CN35 Hull #1, *Ca Va*, was owned by Ian Morch, who would go on to > found Belleville Marine and become the first President of C&C Yachts. Ian > just passed away about two weeks ago. Hull #6, *Carousel*. the first to > be built by Cliff Richardson in Ontario, but finished by Dick Kneulman at > Ontario Yachts, was owned by Perry Connolly, who, of course would soon > commission Cuthbertson and Cassian to design a 40 footer named *Red > Jacket*. Amazing to see hull #10 available. A truly historic vessel. > > > > Rob Mazza > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > And I thought some of us had "old" boats. Take a peek at this: > > < > http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1962/C%26C-Canadian-Northern-Hull-%2310-2743930/Mobile/AL/United-States#.VE7zJhZNfh8 > > > > Note the "Star" on the bow cove stripe. > > Dennis C. > > Touche' 35-1 #83 > > Mandeville, LA > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > >
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