The 35 MK I does not come close to planning like a modern sport boat.
The best I have done in flat water is 11 knots boatspeed with 50-60 knots on 
the stern and the working job up. At that speed the stern is sunk nearly to 
water level. In any kind of the waves the boat will surf/plane DOWN the waves, 
but you drop speed on the upside. Max speed I think I have ever seen is 15-16 
knots surfing down 20 footers . The only C&C I have ever seen plane like a 
Laser would be the SR-21. I think the only true “planing” C&C s would be the SR 
series and maybe the newest 30 foot model.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Mazza 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:08 PM
To: Dave Moore
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Planing/Surfing C&C hulls?

Not a definitive analysis, but my recollection is that the older CCA type 
hulls, C&C 35s, 43s, and certainly the 61s were better off the wind than the 
later IOR influenced hulls, which were better upwind than the older boats. 
However, it would be interesting to hear from owners on that subject.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Dave Moore 
<drolfmo...@yahoo.com<mailto:drolfmo...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Hi Rob and Hank,
Did any of the C&C models have a particular strength in surfing (or planing) 
down wind in 15 to 20 knots true wind speed? Years ago I recall talking to Rob 
Ball about the importance of prismatic coefficient in surfing performance but I 
was remiss in not asking what C&C models have the strongest surfing potential.
Thank you
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2014, at 3:14 PM, henry evans via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi Rob,

Your knowledge of the history of C&C designs is truly amazing. I enjoyed 
reading your tutorial.

I never knew Eric was in the kitchen business.  After I and a bunch of others 
left the faltering C&C, I spent 10 years in brick manufacturing which landed me 
in Des Moines, Iowa.  Exiting that business, I bought an Architectural Millwork 
company and two years later a kitchen cabinet manufacturing and remodeling 
company. We ran those two for 20 years, quadrupled their size and sold them to 
retire on our trawler.  And we did a few boat interior remodels as well, both 
power and sail. Our C&C 29 "Illusion" is still winning races on Lake Rathbun, 
in SE Iowa.

We are docked at the Naval Air Station Marina in Jacksonville, FL where Ann has 
been undergoing tests at Mayo Clinic.  As I look out into the mooring area I 
can see the distinctive lines of a C&C 35 MK I.  A few docks is a Landfall 38.  
It is amazing how many C&C's we see as we travel up and down the ICW each year. 
 They are still the best looking boats on the water !

Cheers from Queen Ann's Revenge,

Hank



On Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:32 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi John,

Another interesting mid Cuthbertson and Cassian design, before the creation of 
C&C Yachts. Big George tells me that Psyche II, designed for Bob Grant, a 
future Commodore of RCYC, was essentially a sister to Ivanhoe II which 
proceeded Psyche by a couple of years. Ivanhoe II was design number 64-4 for 
Comm. Ray Engholm, also of RCYC. She was built in aluminium at Engholm's 
aluminium fabrication company Macotta. In actual fact Erich Bruckmann installed 
the interior in Ivanhoe after he left Metro Marine and had gone into the 
kitchen installation business. It was probability the building the interior on 
Ivanhoe which kept him in the boat business. The building of the interior at 
the same time as the hull led to all sorts of problems with the aluminium welds 
in the hull, but that's another story!  Psyche was design number 66-4, and 
followed the Redwing 30, Inferno II, and Red Jacket, and immediately preceded 
the Redline 41 and the Whitby 45. Therefore, unlike Ivanhoe, Psyche was 
designed with a separate keel and rudder. She was also built in aluminium by 
Enholm's company Macotta, but I'm not sure who installed the interior. Possibly 
Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts.  Ivanhoe, which had a full keel and attached 
rudder was also later modified to the separate keel and rudder configuration. 
Neither boat was specifically successful on the race course, since the Ivanhoe 
hull lines preceded Red Jacket, and Engholm himself was a tad more conservative 
then Perry Connolly in the type of boat he wanted. The Ivanhoe/Psyche "sisters" 
were part of the transition in yacht design taking place in the 1960s. It's 
great to see Psyche still looking so good. A remarkable boat.

Bob Grant would be part of a number of Canada's Cup syndicates, and later owned 
a C&C 48, one of George's last designs at C&C, before he handed design 
responsibilities over to Rob Ball. Bob Grant also bought an Aurora 40, I 
believe, Mark Elis' first design after parting company from C&C Custom Sales.

Rob



On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, J Roger 
<johnbobro...@gmail.com<mailto:johnbobro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The 1968 43' Aluminum PSYCHE II:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/43-aluminum-c-and-c-custom-sloop-1968-42-000-florida-132804.html

Would be grand to learn more about the history, building techniques and sailing 
characteristics.

Cheers

J



On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The first six were built by Kurt Beister, on the East Frisian Islands in 
northern Germany. Most likely designed by Henry Gruber, but modified for North 
American requirements by Cuthbertson and Cassian with the addition of a CCA 
type yawl rig and the modification of the ballast casting to add more lead. 
CN35 Hull #1, Ca Va, was owned by Ian Morch, who would go on to found 
Belleville Marine and become the first President of C&C Yachts. Ian just passed 
away about two weeks ago. Hull #6, Carousel. the first to be built by Cliff 
Richardson in Ontario, but finished by Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts, was 
owned by Perry Connolly, who, of course would soon commission Cuthbertson and 
Cassian to design a 40 footer named Red Jacket. Amazing to see hull #10 
available. A truly historic vessel.

Rob Mazza

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
And I thought some of us had "old" boats.  Take a peek at this:

<http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1962/C%26C-Canadian-Northern-Hull-%2310-2743930/Mobile/AL/United-States#.VE7zJhZNfh8>
Note the "Star" on the bow cove stripe.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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