Any 37R, Plus or XL skippers like to comment on the willingness of their boats to surf waves? Thank you Dave
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > As long as we are comparing "war stories", despite previously maligning IOR > hulls, the fastest I've gone in a keel boat was on Marauder in the long > distance race of the 1975 Canada's Cup on Lake St. Clair, when it was blowing > the shingles off the roof, and we had a #2 on the spinnaker pole. The bow > wave was breaking at the chain plates, and the speedo was pegged at it's max > reading of 12 Kts for a long time. That was before GPS, so we really had no > idea how fast we were going. And that was with a tiller steered boat. > Marauder could out reach Golden Dazy easily, but couldn't touch her upwind. > Dazy took the series,3-2, winning all the "inshore" races. > > Rob Mazza > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The 35 MK I does not come close to planning like a modern sport boat. > > The best I have done in flat water is 11 knots boatspeed with 50-60 knots on > the stern and the working job up. At that speed the stern is sunk nearly to > water level. In any kind of the waves the boat will surf/plane DOWN the > waves, but you drop speed on the upside. Max speed I think I have ever seen > is 15-16 knots surfing down 20 footers . The only C&C I have ever seen plane > like a Laser would be the SR-21. I think the only true “planing” C&C s would > be the SR series and maybe the newest 30 foot model. > > > > Joe Della Barba > > Coquina C&C 35 MK I > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Mazza via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:08 PM > To: Dave Moore > Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Planing/Surfing C&C hulls? > > > > Not a definitive analysis, but my recollection is that the older CCA type > hulls, C&C 35s, 43s, and certainly the 61s were better off the wind than the > later IOR influenced hulls, which were better upwind than the older boats. > However, it would be interesting to hear from owners on that subject. > > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Dave Moore <drolfmo...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi Rob and Hank, > > Did any of the C&C models have a particular strength in surfing (or planing) > down wind in 15 to 20 knots true wind speed? Years ago I recall talking to > Rob Ball about the importance of prismatic coefficient in surfing performance > but I was remiss in not asking what C&C models have the strongest surfing > potential. > > Thank you > > Dave > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 30, 2014, at 3:14 PM, henry evans via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > > > Your knowledge of the history of C&C designs is truly amazing. I enjoyed > reading your tutorial. > > > > I never knew Eric was in the kitchen business. After I and a bunch of others > left the faltering C&C, I spent 10 years in brick manufacturing which landed > me in Des Moines, Iowa. Exiting that business, I bought an Architectural > Millwork company and two years later a kitchen cabinet manufacturing and > remodeling company. We ran those two for 20 years, quadrupled their size and > sold them to retire on our trawler. And we did a few boat interior remodels > as well, both power and sail. Our C&C 29 "Illusion" is still winning races on > Lake Rathbun, in SE Iowa. > > > > We are docked at the Naval Air Station Marina in Jacksonville, FL where Ann > has been undergoing tests at Mayo Clinic. As I look out into the mooring > area I can see the distinctive lines of a C&C 35 MK I. A few docks is a > Landfall 38. It is amazing how many C&C's we see as we travel up and down > the ICW each year. They are still the best looking boats on the water ! > > > > Cheers from Queen Ann's Revenge, > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:32 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > > > Another interesting mid Cuthbertson and Cassian design, before the creation > of C&C Yachts. Big George tells me that Psyche II, designed for Bob Grant, a > future Commodore of RCYC, was essentially a sister to Ivanhoe II which > proceeded Psyche by a couple of years. Ivanhoe II was design number 64-4 for > Comm. Ray Engholm, also of RCYC. She was built in aluminium at Engholm's > aluminium fabrication company Macotta. In actual fact Erich Bruckmann > installed the interior in Ivanhoe after he left Metro Marine and had gone > into the kitchen installation business. It was probability the building the > interior on Ivanhoe which kept him in the boat business. The building of the > interior at the same time as the hull led to all sorts of problems with the > aluminium welds in the hull, but that's another story! Psyche was design > number 66-4, and followed the Redwing 30, Inferno II, and Red Jacket, and > immediately preceded the Redline 41 and the Whitby 45. Therefore, unlike > Ivanhoe, Psyche was designed with a separate keel and rudder. She was also > built in aluminium by Enholm's company Macotta, but I'm not sure who > installed the interior. Possibly Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts. Ivanhoe, > which had a full keel and attached rudder was also later modified to the > separate keel and rudder configuration. Neither boat was specifically > successful on the race course, since the Ivanhoe hull lines preceded Red > Jacket, and Engholm himself was a tad more conservative then Perry Connolly > in the type of boat he wanted. The Ivanhoe/Psyche "sisters" were part of the > transition in yacht design taking place in the 1960s. It's great to see > Psyche still looking so good. A remarkable boat. > > > > Bob Grant would be part of a number of Canada's Cup syndicates, and later > owned a C&C 48, one of George's last designs at C&C, before he handed design > responsibilities over to Rob Ball. Bob Grant also bought an Aurora 40, I > believe, Mark Elis' first design after parting company from C&C Custom Sales. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, J Roger <johnbobro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The 1968 43' Aluminum PSYCHE II: > > > > http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/43-aluminum-c-and-c-custom-sloop-1968-42-000-florida-132804.html > > > > Would be grand to learn more about the history, building techniques and > sailing characteristics. > > > > Cheers > > > > J > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > The first six were built by Kurt Beister, on the East Frisian Islands in > northern Germany. Most likely designed by Henry Gruber, but modified for > North American requirements by Cuthbertson and Cassian with the addition of a > CCA type yawl rig and the modification of the ballast casting to add more > lead. CN35 Hull #1, Ca Va, was owned by Ian Morch, who would go on to found > Belleville Marine and become the first President of C&C Yachts. Ian just > passed away about two weeks ago. Hull #6, Carousel. the first to be built by > Cliff Richardson in Ontario, but finished by Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts, > was owned by Perry Connolly, who, of course would soon commission Cuthbertson > and Cassian to design a 40 footer named Red Jacket. Amazing to see hull #10 > available. A truly historic vessel. > > > > Rob Mazza > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > And I thought some of us had "old" boats. Take a peek at this: > > <http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1962/C%26C-Canadian-Northern-Hull-%2310-2743930/Mobile/AL/United-States#.VE7zJhZNfh8> > > Note the "Star" on the bow cove stripe. > > Dennis C. > > Touche' 35-1 #83 > > Mandeville, LA > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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