I've had mine surging 1-2kts as big rollers came up under the transom but I don't know if I would define it as surfing. I don't have enough expierience with other boats to know if that's especially good.
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 1, 2014 3:21 PM, "Dave Moore via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Any 37R, Plus or XL skippers like to comment on the willingness of their > boats to surf waves? > Thank you > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > As long as we are comparing "war stories", despite previously maligning > IOR hulls, the fastest I've gone in a keel boat was on *Marauder* in the > long distance race of the 1975 Canada's Cup on Lake St. Clair, when it was > blowing the shingles off the roof, and we had a #2 on the spinnaker pole. > The bow wave was breaking at the chain plates, and the speedo was pegged at > it's max reading of 12 Kts for a long time. That was before GPS, so we > really had no idea how fast we were going. And that was with a tiller > steered boat. *Maraude*r could out reach *Golden Dazy *easily, but > couldn't touch her upwind. *Dazy* took the series,3-2, winning all the > "inshore" races. > > Rob Mazza > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> The 35 MK I does not come close to planning like a modern sport boat. >> >> The best I have done in flat water is 11 knots boatspeed with 50-60 knots >> on the stern and the working job up. At that speed the stern is sunk nearly >> to water level. In any kind of the waves the boat will surf/plane DOWN the >> waves, but you drop speed on the upside. Max speed I think I have ever seen >> is 15-16 knots surfing down 20 footers . The only C&C I have ever seen >> plane like a Laser would be the SR-21. I think the only true "planing" C&C >> s would be the SR series and maybe the newest 30 foot model. >> >> >> >> *Joe Della Barba* >> >> Coquina C&C 35 MK I >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert >> Mazza via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 12:08 PM >> *To:* Dave Moore >> *Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Planing/Surfing C&C hulls? >> >> >> >> Not a definitive analysis, but my recollection is that the older CCA type >> hulls, C&C 35s, 43s, and certainly the 61s were better off the wind than >> the later IOR influenced hulls, which were better upwind than the older >> boats. However, it would be interesting to hear from owners on that >> subject. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Dave Moore <drolfmo...@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Rob and Hank, >> >> Did any of the C&C models have a particular strength in surfing (or >> planing) down wind in 15 to 20 knots true wind speed? Years ago I recall >> talking to Rob Ball about the importance of prismatic coefficient in >> surfing performance but I was remiss in not asking what C&C models have the >> strongest surfing potential. >> >> Thank you >> >> Dave >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2014, at 3:14 PM, henry evans via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> >> >> Your knowledge of the history of C&C designs is truly amazing. I enjoyed >> reading your tutorial. >> >> >> >> I never knew Eric was in the kitchen business. After I and a bunch of >> others left the faltering C&C, I spent 10 years in brick manufacturing >> which landed me in Des Moines, Iowa. Exiting that business, I bought an >> Architectural Millwork company and two years later a kitchen cabinet >> manufacturing and remodeling company. We ran those two for 20 years, >> quadrupled their size and sold them to retire on our trawler. And we did a >> few boat interior remodels as well, both power and sail. Our C&C 29 >> "Illusion" is still winning races on Lake Rathbun, in SE Iowa. >> >> >> >> We are docked at the Naval Air Station Marina in Jacksonville, FL where >> Ann has been undergoing tests at Mayo Clinic. As I look out into the >> mooring area I can see the distinctive lines of a C&C 35 MK I. A few docks >> is a Landfall 38. It is amazing how many C&C's we see as we travel up and >> down the ICW each year. They are still the best looking boats on the water >> ! >> >> >> >> Cheers from Queen Ann's Revenge, >> >> >> >> Hank >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:32 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi John, >> >> >> >> Another interesting mid Cuthbertson and Cassian design, before the >> creation of C&C Yachts. Big George tells me that *Psyche II*, designed >> for Bob Grant, a future Commodore of RCYC, was essentially a sister to >> *Ivanhoe >> II* which proceeded *Psyche *by a couple of years. *Ivanhoe II *was >> design number 64-4 for Comm. Ray Engholm, also of RCYC. She was built in >> aluminium at Engholm's aluminium fabrication company Macotta. In actual >> fact Erich Bruckmann installed the interior in *Ivanhoe* after he left >> Metro Marine and had gone into the kitchen installation business. It was >> probability the building the interior on* Ivanhoe* which kept him in the >> boat business. The building of the interior at the same time as the hull >> led to all sorts of problems with the aluminium welds in the hull, but >> that's another story! *Psyche *was design number 66-4, and followed the >> Redwing 30, *Inferno II*, and * Red Jacket*, and immediately preceded >> the Redline 41 and the Whitby 45. Therefore, unlike Ivanhoe, *Psyche* >> was designed with a separate keel and rudder. She was also built in >> aluminium by Enholm's company Macotta, but I'm not sure who installed the >> interior. Possibly Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts. *Ivanhoe,* which >> had a full keel and attached rudder was also later modified to the separate >> keel and rudder configuration. Neither boat was specifically successful on >> the race course, since the *Ivanhoe* hull lines preceded *Red Jacket,* >> and Engholm himself was a tad more conservative then Perry Connolly in the >> type of boat he wanted. The *Ivanhoe/Psyche* "sisters" were part of the >> transition in yacht design taking place in the 1960s. It's great to see >> *Psyche* still looking so good. A remarkable boat. >> >> >> >> Bob Grant would be part of a number of Canada's Cup syndicates, and later >> owned a C&C 48, one of George's last designs at C&C, before he handed >> design responsibilities over to Rob Ball. Bob Grant also bought an Aurora >> 40, I believe, Mark Elis' first design after parting company from C&C >> Custom Sales. >> >> >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, J Roger <johnbobro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The 1968 43' Aluminum PSYCHE II: >> >> >> >> >> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/43-aluminum-c-and-c-custom-sloop-1968-42-000-florida-132804.html >> >> >> >> Would be grand to learn more about the history, building techniques and >> sailing characteristics. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> The first six were built by Kurt Beister, on the East Frisian Islands >> in northern Germany. Most likely designed by Henry Gruber, but modified for >> North American requirements by Cuthbertson and Cassian with the addition of >> a CCA type yawl rig and the modification of the ballast casting to add more >> lead. CN35 Hull #1, *Ca Va*, was owned by Ian Morch, who would go on to >> found Belleville Marine and become the first President of C&C Yachts. Ian >> just passed away about two weeks ago. Hull #6, *Carousel*. the first to >> be built by Cliff Richardson in Ontario, but finished by Dick Kneulman at >> Ontario Yachts, was owned by Perry Connolly, who, of course would soon >> commission Cuthbertson and Cassian to design a 40 footer named *Red >> Jacket*. Amazing to see hull #10 available. A truly historic vessel. >> >> >> >> Rob Mazza >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> And I thought some of us had "old" boats. Take a peek at this: >> >> < >> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1962/C%26C-Canadian-Northern-Hull-%2310-2743930/Mobile/AL/United-States#.VE7zJhZNfh8 >> > >> >> Note the "Star" on the bow cove stripe. >> >> Dennis C. >> >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> >> Mandeville, LA >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > >
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