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We also do not guarantee that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference, but do assume that the utmost effort and technology has been utilised to ensure that the information is free from such effects”. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Atterbury Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 3:52 PM To: Tom Kacprzynski Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability Maybe IPX should update the workbooks to say estimated for 7:45 hours :) On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Tom Kacprzynski <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > I totally understand why the 15 minutes is there. Then make it 8:15 > minutes and charge another 2 dollars or something. Why would I pay > another $25 for just another 15 min? That's not very feasible. All > the labs that IPExpert has, Vol 2 and Vol 3 are estimated for eight > hours, not 7:45 minutes. In terms of 24 hour scheduling, resource > reservation is more of an IPExpert issue and i'm sure they can figure > it out, they have a lot of smart people there. > > Yes, I understand that you have to finish the actual lab in less then > 8 hours on the real exam, but that doesn't mean you don't need the > full 8 hours to verify everything. And these rack rentals aren't for > the actual lab exams but for studying, so they might take little > longer to get done. I doubt anyone preparing for the lab is able to > start off finishing these in less than 8 hours, that takes a lot of > practice, especially that vol 2 and vol 3 are harder than the real labs. > > This is not a revolutionary idea not seen with other rack rentals, it > just something that stuck out from my experience dealing with other places. > > Don't get me wrong, I think it's very beneficial to use these IP > Experts rack rentals, especially for troubleshooting labs or config > labs where you don't really want to be modifying the initial configs > to fit another topology, I will be using them, but like I said that > was something that stuck out that didn't make a lot of sense to me. > > Just a clarification on my opinion. > > Thank you, > > Tom > > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Anthony Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have to completely disagree. > > > > 1. In most cases, we won't actually be using the entire eight hours > > straight anyway. > > > > 2. In my experience with the actual lab, the time is up before you > > know > it > > and technically, you can get a proctor like I had who starts a > > little > late > > and then ends you right at the time. So, True preparation for the > > lab requires being able to configure in less than eight hours. > > > > 3. And most importantly, if the slots were more than eight hours, > > then > how > > would that work out on a 24 hour breakdown? If a person really > > needs > more > > than eight hours then you should book two sessions back to back. > > > > Just my opinion though. > > > > Regards, > > > > Raliegh Anthony Jones > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 7, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Tom Kacprzynski <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > Since we are on the topic of time slots. Why are you given a 7:45 > > > hours time slot, instead of a 8 hour slot, as the actual lab is 8 hours > > > long. > > > This leaves hardly any time to load your config, save them and > > > review > > your > > > lab. > > > > > > What would be a more customer focused product would give you full > > > 8 > hours > > > of actual config time, with 15 minutes to get everything setup a > > > total > of > > > 8:15. It does make a lot of more sense. > > > > > > Just my opinion. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Lukasz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Wayne, > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks for the answers. I am glad and surprised to hear about > > >> work > that > > >> you Guys do on the new system. Looking forward to see the new > > proctorlabs. > > >> > > >> > > >> Lukasz > > >> > > >> > > >> On 2012-05-31 22:42, Wayne Lawson wrote: > > >> > > >>> Gang - > > >>> > > >>> I have been able to review this thread and want to give all > > >>> of you an update - our official response. > > >>> > > >>> We have been in the process of entirely overhauling Proctor > > >>> Labs for about 8 months. The code was written in an undesirable > > >>> language, and it has essentially been an entire rewrite of the > > >>> current solution as well as adding features and functionality - > > >>> and things like the ability to reserve VMware racks, Juniper > > >>> racks and racks that are set up with various Data Center components > > >>> (hardware / software). > > >>> > > >>> We also have been working on an enhanced support solution for > > >>> products and vRacks - which will be rolled out at the same time > > >>> the new Proctor Labs site is launched. As somebody mentioned, I > understand > > >>> that some people would like to see 4-hour timeslots, however - > > >>> just > as > > >>> many people don't - therefore we have to either support both, or > > >>> support the ability to allow you to link 4-hour sessions together. > The > > >>> problem with that - is that there may not be the ability to stay > > >>> on the same rack if someone has the session before and after yours. > Also, > > >>> time zones come into play - when will a session start, and when > > >>> will it end. I can guarantee that just as many people will be > > >>> frustrated with the start and end times as will be content. In a > > >>> nutshell, there are several things we've been working through to > > >>> ensure that a majority of our customers are happy. At the > > >>> moment, I can't give an exact date as to when this new Proctor > > >>> Labs solution will be pushed live, just know that I am impatient > > >>> and my web team knows this! ;-) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Also - addressing someone's comments suggesting that we don't > > >>> fix product errors...that is not accurate. As product versions > > >>> are released, known errors are fixed. Let's face it - I would > > >>> love to commit to having a 100% error free product, but after > > >>> running this company for over 12 years, I've come to realize > > >>> that it is nearly impossible to expect that. We do, however, > > >>> provide industry-leading support (much better than any of our > > >>> competitors) and we shoot to fix known errors / bugs with updated > > >>> products. > > >>> > > >>> I greatly appreciate everyone's valuable feedback, and we > > >>> will continue to work on enhancements to everything we offer to > > >>> maintain our position as a leader in this market. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> > > >>> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244 > > >>> Founder & President > > >>> IPexpert, Inc., Proctor Labs, Inc., Masonic e-Institute of > > >>> Technology, Inc., & Platinum, Inc. > > >>> > > >>> Mobile: +1.810.334.1564 > > >>> eFax: +1.810.454.0130 > > >>> Email: [email protected] > > >>> Connect @ www.WayneLawson.com > > >>> > > >>> :: Message sent from iPhone. > > >>> > > >>> On May 31, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Lukasz <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> My thought on this...if that idea would be profitable IPx would > > >>> have > > it. > > >>>> My understanding is that the vrack is cheap as petrol in Saudi > Arabia > > and > > >>>> if you miss your 4 hours then that is your problem. You can > > >>>> imagine > > that if > > >>>> the 8 hour slot ends there has to be person (on call) in case > > >>>> the > > router > > >>>> does not recover. If you think about it then you know why 4 > > >>>> hour > time > > slot > > >>>> does not work for IPx. That means they need to use more > > >>>> resources to > > cover > > >>>> something which is very cheap and I guess probably not very > > profitable for > > >>>> them. > > >>>> > > >>>> I think question goes to this. If you want to have 4 hour time > > >>>> slot would you be able to pay more for vrack? If so how much > > >>>> would you be > > able > > >>>> to spend? I prefer to have 8 hours slots for $25 and maybe > > >>>> waste > > couple of > > >>>> hours (unfortunately) because I live in Europe. > > >>>> > > >>>> Alternatively you can buy 4 switches (around $600) and connect > > >>>> them > > into > > >>>> your GNS and never think about time difference again. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Lukasz > > >>>> > > >>>> On 2012-05-31 19:13, Edgar Mauricio Diaz Orellana wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> i'm on the same .... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> need 4 hour slots instead 8hours... because ... when we start > > >>>>> as > CCIE > > >>>>> candidate to practice the labs, we don't had the enough mind > > >>>>> strong to start at 8hour lab... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> another interesting point of view. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Ken Wyan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> When I asked for a fraction of time , sales person told it's > > >>>>> not > > >>>>>> possible. > > >>>>>> My case was I needed about 11 hour time slots. I told xxxxxxx > > company > > >>>>>> provides such facility but IPX told they are training > > >>>>>> candidates > > for 8 > > >>>>>> hour > > >>>>>> slots & their timeslot period was designed for this purpose. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> One support guy was kind enough to give me few hours > > >>>>>> extension at > > the > > >>>>>> end > > >>>>>> of session (if there are enough free racks for next session). > > >>>>>> I appreciate his help. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> But other support guy needed one additional voucher even if I > > >>>>>> ask > to > > >>>>>> start > > >>>>>> my session 2~3 hours before start time. (eventhough this > > >>>>>> approach > > can > > >>>>>> earn > > >>>>>> some extra money from pressurised candidates , in long run > > >>>>>> it's > not > > >>>>>> good > > >>>>>> for vendor) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> (I needed additional hours to check everything very well & > > >>>>>> findout > > my > > >>>>>> mistakes before the exam ; definitely nobody can spare > > >>>>>> 16hours > > >>>>>> continuously) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> This is my experience with Proctorlabs > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Rob Pool > > >>>>>> <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Nick, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I bought my End-to-End solution in Oct 2010 and was told by > > >>>>>>> my > > sales > > >>>>>>> person that they were working on a 4 hour time slot at that time. > > So, > > >>>>>> your > > >>>>>>> argument that it takes time to work on the technical issues > doesn't > > >>>>>> really > > >>>>>>> fly. They've had plenty of time and it's clearly been an > imitative > > >>>>>> that > > >>>>>> for > > >>>>>>> whatever reason they've decided wasn't a priority. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ______________________________**__ > > >>>>>>> From: Nick Bonifacio <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: Jay McMickle <[email protected]>; Rob Pool < > > >>>>>> [email protected]> > > >>>>>>> Cc: "[email protected]" > > >>>>>>> <[email protected]>; > " > > >>>>>>> [email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:56 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> In their defense (Marko and IPX), they are working on it but > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>> logistics > > >>>>>>> are a little tricky. I don't think you can just flip a > > >>>>>>> switch > and > > >>>>>>> institute 4 hour blocks. It will have to be tested, Beta > > >>>>>>> tested > > and > > >>>>>> then > > >>>>>>> tested again. You also have to take in account who will get > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>> short > > >>>>>> end > > >>>>>>> of the stick. Since most blocks are based on PST, other > > >>>>>>> time > zones > > >>>>>> may > > >>>>>>> start complaining if a 4 hour block system is implemented. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> From: Jay McMickle <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: Rob Pool <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> Cc: "[email protected]" > > >>>>>>> <[email protected]>; > " > > >>>>>>> [email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:56 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Uh oh. I think I hear Marco coming. You are sooooo in trouble! > > >>>>>>> ;) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S) Sent from iJay > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 6:22 AM, Rob Pool <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Nothing against IPX, because they've provided invaluable > training > > >>>>>>> material. However, they've been talking about 4 hour time > > >>>>>>> slots > at > > >>>>>> least > > >>>>>> a > > >>>>>>> couple years and it hasn't happened yet. I went out and > > >>>>>>> bought my > > own > > >>>>>> rack > > >>>>>>> of gear to the tune of over $11k. Fortunately for those that > > haven't > > >>>>>> done > > >>>>>>> that yet, the prices have dropped significantly and you > > >>>>>>> could > > >>>>>> probably do > > >>>>>>> it for less than half of that. My suggestion is do the same > > >>>>>>> if > you > > >>>>>> want > > >>>>>>> the freedom and flexibility to train when you have time. > > >>>>>>> Also, > the > > >>>>>> best > > >>>>>> way > > >>>>>>> to institute change is with your money going somewhere else. > > >>>>>>> A > > >>>>>> vendor can > > >>>>>>> ignore requests when you're still spending money, but they > > >>>>>>> can't > if > > >>>>>>> revenues are dropping. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Sent from my > > >>>>>>> iPhone > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 4:43 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hello IP Experts, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> A few weeks if not months ago I asked the same already, > > >>>>>>>>> whether > > >>>>>> there > > >>>>>>> will be a chance for booking the vracks for 4hour slots > > >>>>>>> instead > of > > >>>>>> current > > >>>>>>> 8hours. The reasoning why I provided that time and looked > > >>>>>>> like > > there > > >>>>>> are > > >>>>>>> much more people from this community who are interested in > > >>>>>>> the > same > > >>>>>> than > > >>>>>>> anyone including me could expect. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The response from the IPX instructor that time was that > > >>>>>>>>> IPX is > > >>>>>> thinking > > >>>>>>> of implementing 4hour slots but had not definite plan for that. > Let > > >>>>>> me > > >>>>>>> therefore ask you again the same, will you please make the > > >>>>>>> 4hour > > >>>>>> vrack > > >>>>>> time > > >>>>>>> slots available for those who are based in Europe, those who > > >>>>>>> just > > >>>>>> need to > > >>>>>>> spend labbing time on individual technologies and are not > > interested > > >>>>>> yet > > >>>>>> in > > >>>>>>> practicing the mock > > >>>>>>> labs where 8hour slots are understandable? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Marian Franc > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > > >>>>>>>>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab > > training, > > >>>>>>> please visit www.ipexpert.com > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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