Maybe IPX should update the workbooks to say estimated for 7:45 hours :) On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Tom Kacprzynski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Everyone, > I totally understand why the 15 minutes is there. Then make it 8:15 minutes > and charge another 2 dollars or something. Why would I pay another $25 for > just another 15 min? That's not very feasible. All the labs that IPExpert > has, Vol 2 and Vol 3 are estimated for eight hours, not 7:45 minutes. In > terms of 24 hour scheduling, resource reservation is more of an IPExpert > issue and i'm sure they can figure it out, they have a lot of smart people > there. > > Yes, I understand that you have to finish the actual lab in less then 8 > hours on the real exam, but that doesn't mean you don't need the full 8 > hours to verify everything. And these rack rentals aren't for the actual > lab exams but for studying, so they might take little longer to get done. I > doubt anyone preparing for the lab is able to start off finishing these in > less than 8 hours, that takes a lot of practice, especially that vol 2 and > vol 3 are harder than the real labs. > > This is not a revolutionary idea not seen with other rack rentals, it just > something that stuck out from my experience dealing with other places. > > Don't get me wrong, I think it's very beneficial to use these IP Experts > rack rentals, especially for troubleshooting labs or config labs where you > don't really want to be modifying the initial configs to fit another > topology, I will be using them, but like I said that was something that > stuck out that didn't make a lot of sense to me. > > Just a clarification on my opinion. > > Thank you, > > Tom > > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Anthony Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have to completely disagree. > > > > 1. In most cases, we won't actually be using the entire eight hours > > straight anyway. > > > > 2. In my experience with the actual lab, the time is up before you know > it > > and technically, you can get a proctor like I had who starts a little > late > > and then ends you right at the time. So, True preparation for the lab > > requires being able to configure in less than eight hours. > > > > 3. And most importantly, if the slots were more than eight hours, then > how > > would that work out on a 24 hour breakdown? If a person really needs > more > > than eight hours then you should book two sessions back to back. > > > > Just my opinion though. > > > > Regards, > > > > Raliegh Anthony Jones > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 7, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Tom Kacprzynski <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > Since we are on the topic of time slots. Why are you given a 7:45 hours > > > time slot, instead of a 8 hour slot, as the actual lab is 8 hours long. > > > This leaves hardly any time to load your config, save them and review > > your > > > lab. > > > > > > What would be a more customer focused product would give you full 8 > hours > > > of actual config time, with 15 minutes to get everything setup a total > of > > > 8:15. It does make a lot of more sense. > > > > > > Just my opinion. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Lukasz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Wayne, > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks for the answers. I am glad and surprised to hear about work > that > > >> you Guys do on the new system. Looking forward to see the new > > proctorlabs. > > >> > > >> > > >> Lukasz > > >> > > >> > > >> On 2012-05-31 22:42, Wayne Lawson wrote: > > >> > > >>> Gang - > > >>> > > >>> I have been able to review this thread and want to give all of > > >>> you an update - our official response. > > >>> > > >>> We have been in the process of entirely overhauling Proctor Labs > > >>> for about 8 months. The code was written in an undesirable language, > > >>> and it has essentially been an entire rewrite of the current solution > > >>> as well as adding features and functionality - and things like the > > >>> ability to reserve VMware racks, Juniper racks and racks that are set > > >>> up with various Data Center components (hardware / software). > > >>> > > >>> We also have been working on an enhanced support solution for > > >>> products and vRacks - which will be rolled out at the same time the > > >>> new Proctor Labs site is launched. As somebody mentioned, I > understand > > >>> that some people would like to see 4-hour timeslots, however - just > as > > >>> many people don't - therefore we have to either support both, or > > >>> support the ability to allow you to link 4-hour sessions together. > The > > >>> problem with that - is that there may not be the ability to stay on > > >>> the same rack if someone has the session before and after yours. > Also, > > >>> time zones come into play - when will a session start, and when will > > >>> it end. I can guarantee that just as many people will be frustrated > > >>> with the start and end times as will be content. In a nutshell, there > > >>> are several things we've been working through to ensure that a > > >>> majority of our customers are happy. At the moment, I can't give an > > >>> exact date as to when this new Proctor Labs solution will be pushed > > >>> live, just know that I am impatient and my web team knows this! ;-) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Also - addressing someone's comments suggesting that we don't > > >>> fix product errors...that is not accurate. As product versions are > > >>> released, known errors are fixed. Let's face it - I would love to > > >>> commit to having a 100% error free product, but after running this > > >>> company for over 12 years, I've come to realize that it is nearly > > >>> impossible to expect that. We do, however, provide industry-leading > > >>> support (much better than any of our competitors) and we shoot to fix > > >>> known errors / bugs with updated products. > > >>> > > >>> I greatly appreciate everyone's valuable feedback, and we will > > >>> continue to work on enhancements to everything we offer to maintain > > >>> our position as a leader in this market. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> > > >>> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244 > > >>> Founder & President > > >>> IPexpert, Inc., Proctor Labs, Inc., Masonic e-Institute of > > >>> Technology, Inc., & Platinum, Inc. > > >>> > > >>> Mobile: +1.810.334.1564 > > >>> eFax: +1.810.454.0130 > > >>> Email: [email protected] > > >>> Connect @ www.WayneLawson.com > > >>> > > >>> :: Message sent from iPhone. > > >>> > > >>> On May 31, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Lukasz <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> My thought on this...if that idea would be profitable IPx would have > > it. > > >>>> My understanding is that the vrack is cheap as petrol in Saudi > Arabia > > and > > >>>> if you miss your 4 hours then that is your problem. You can imagine > > that if > > >>>> the 8 hour slot ends there has to be person (on call) in case the > > router > > >>>> does not recover. If you think about it then you know why 4 hour > time > > slot > > >>>> does not work for IPx. That means they need to use more resources to > > cover > > >>>> something which is very cheap and I guess probably not very > > profitable for > > >>>> them. > > >>>> > > >>>> I think question goes to this. If you want to have 4 hour time slot > > >>>> would you be able to pay more for vrack? If so how much would you be > > able > > >>>> to spend? I prefer to have 8 hours slots for $25 and maybe waste > > couple of > > >>>> hours (unfortunately) because I live in Europe. > > >>>> > > >>>> Alternatively you can buy 4 switches (around $600) and connect them > > into > > >>>> your GNS and never think about time difference again. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Lukasz > > >>>> > > >>>> On 2012-05-31 19:13, Edgar Mauricio Diaz Orellana wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> i'm on the same .... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> need 4 hour slots instead 8hours... because ... when we start as > CCIE > > >>>>> candidate to practice the labs, we don't had the enough > > >>>>> mind strong to start at 8hour lab... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> another interesting point of view. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Ken Wyan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> When I asked for a fraction of time , sales person told it's not > > >>>>>> possible. > > >>>>>> My case was I needed about 11 hour time slots. I told xxxxxxx > > company > > >>>>>> provides such facility but IPX told they are training candidates > > for 8 > > >>>>>> hour > > >>>>>> slots & their timeslot period was designed for this purpose. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> One support guy was kind enough to give me few hours extension at > > the > > >>>>>> end > > >>>>>> of session (if there are enough free racks for next session). I > > >>>>>> appreciate > > >>>>>> his help. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> But other support guy needed one additional voucher even if I ask > to > > >>>>>> start > > >>>>>> my session 2~3 hours before start time. (eventhough this approach > > can > > >>>>>> earn > > >>>>>> some extra money from pressurised candidates , in long run it's > not > > >>>>>> good > > >>>>>> for vendor) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> (I needed additional hours to check everything very well & findout > > my > > >>>>>> mistakes before the exam ; definitely nobody can spare 16hours > > >>>>>> continuously) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> This is my experience with Proctorlabs > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Rob Pool <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Nick, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I bought my End-to-End solution in Oct 2010 and was told by my > > sales > > >>>>>>> person that they were working on a 4 hour time slot at that time. > > So, > > >>>>>> your > > >>>>>>> argument that it takes time to work on the technical issues > doesn't > > >>>>>> really > > >>>>>>> fly. They've had plenty of time and it's clearly been an > imitative > > >>>>>> that > > >>>>>> for > > >>>>>>> whatever reason they've decided wasn't a priority. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ______________________________**__ > > >>>>>>> From: Nick Bonifacio <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: Jay McMickle <[email protected]>; Rob Pool < > > >>>>>> [email protected]> > > >>>>>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; > " > > >>>>>>> [email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:56 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> In their defense (Marko and IPX), they are working on it but the > > >>>>>> logistics > > >>>>>>> are a little tricky. I don't think you can just flip a switch > and > > >>>>>>> institute 4 hour blocks. It will have to be tested, Beta tested > > and > > >>>>>> then > > >>>>>>> tested again. You also have to take in account who will get the > > >>>>>> short > > >>>>>> end > > >>>>>>> of the stick. Since most blocks are based on PST, other time > zones > > >>>>>> may > > >>>>>>> start complaining if a 4 hour block system is implemented. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> From: Jay McMickle <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: Rob Pool <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; > " > > >>>>>>> [email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:56 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] vrack time slots availability > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Uh oh. I think I hear Marco coming. You are sooooo in trouble! > > >>>>>>> ;) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S) > > >>>>>>> Sent from iJay > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 6:22 AM, Rob Pool <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Nothing against IPX, because they've provided invaluable > training > > >>>>>>> material. However, they've been talking about 4 hour time slots > at > > >>>>>> least > > >>>>>> a > > >>>>>>> couple years and it hasn't happened yet. I went out and bought my > > own > > >>>>>> rack > > >>>>>>> of gear to the tune of over $11k. Fortunately for those that > > haven't > > >>>>>> done > > >>>>>>> that yet, the prices have dropped significantly and you could > > >>>>>> probably do > > >>>>>>> it for less than half of that. My suggestion is do the same if > you > > >>>>>> want > > >>>>>>> the freedom and flexibility to train when you have time. Also, > the > > >>>>>> best > > >>>>>> way > > >>>>>>> to institute change is with your money going somewhere else. A > > >>>>>> vendor can > > >>>>>>> ignore requests when you're still spending money, but they can't > if > > >>>>>>> revenues are dropping. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Sent from my > > >>>>>>> iPhone > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 4:43 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hello IP Experts, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> A few weeks if not months ago I asked the same already, whether > > >>>>>> there > > >>>>>>> will be a chance for booking the vracks for 4hour slots instead > of > > >>>>>> current > > >>>>>>> 8hours. The reasoning why I provided that time and looked like > > there > > >>>>>> are > > >>>>>>> much more people from this community who are interested in the > same > > >>>>>> than > > >>>>>>> anyone including me could expect. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The response from the IPX instructor that time was that IPX is > > >>>>>> thinking > > >>>>>>> of implementing 4hour slots but had not definite plan for that. > Let > > >>>>>> me > > >>>>>>> therefore ask you again the same, will you please make the 4hour > > >>>>>> vrack > > >>>>>> time > > >>>>>>> slots available for those who are based in Europe, those who just > > >>>>>> need to > > >>>>>>> spend labbing time on individual technologies and are not > > interested > > >>>>>> yet > > >>>>>> in > > >>>>>>> practicing the mock > > >>>>>>> labs where 8hour slots are understandable? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Marian Franc > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > > >>>>>>>>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab > > training, > > >>>>>>> please visit www.ipexpert.com > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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