Here, you have to pothole until you see the gas line. I tell my guys that if
they have gone deeper and side to side to cover the whole 24” protected zone
then we are good to go. But technically the Utah law says you have to have
“visual contact” with the thing you are crossing.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Direct bury tracer wire reccomendations/experience.
the vertical concern is based in the real world. A guy will believe his locator
and not pothole.
by attached i mean a wrap or tape if its trench. you can get any pipe you want
to pay for. i dont know what plumbers can get embedded
On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 8:56 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:
Ohio is 18 inches and some people tell me neighboring states are 24 inches
horizontally.
>The bug concern is vertical
That's what I'm talking about - if you're below or above the 3 inch pipe,
that's a 3 inch variance.
>If I was paying id spec the trace be attached to the product
Can you get tracer wire built onto plumbing pipe?
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 5:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
if youre paying to be able to trace, that trace should be exact, no
tolerance on installation. My locator it most of the time dead on. The bug
concern is vertical. If the pipe is sitting at 48" but the trace is coiled up
to 24, some yahoo isnt gonna pothole and drill under it. Nobody gives a shit
about liability when their utility is blasted, they want their utility back on.
A sloppy trace also causes cut tracers that dont get spliced. We are supposed
to pothole to the side of the mark to avoid hitting the utility top on.
If I was paying id spec the trace be attached to the product
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:25 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:
How big of a pipe would it have to be for that to be a concern? I would
think ~3 inches of variance is within the spec of the locator.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 4:20 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
stand over them when theyre putting it in to make sure they dont just
randomly toss it in the open trench. you dont want it toning out at a different
depth/horizontal because it coiled up. especially if theyre doing a wide trench
excavation.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:39 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
All these seem to be UF
https://www.plumbersstock.com/water-works/tracer-wire.html
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Direct bury tracer wire
reccomendations/experience.
We specced safe-trace with 1800lb pullback strength for our current
project and will likely makenthat the standard for anything drilled in moving
forward. Not sure it is overkill.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
14 gauge is rugged and will last. I think the gas company out here
uses 14 gauge. 20 gauge on up is not terribly strong. UDOT recently changed
their spec for the tracer molded into MD7 microduct from 20 gauge to 14 gauge.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 9:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Direct bury tracer wire
reccomendations/experience.
Don't you have some random copper laying around? Our fiber tracer
wire is 24 awg. Just place the conductive wire in the same hole as the
water/sewer lines. The color is kind of pointless but I guess you could spend
the money and follow the rules *shrug*.
If the wire ends the locate ends. Why not just extend the wire
with the new pipe?
14 gauge seems like way too big if you ask me, that's a lot of
money down that new sewer line.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:31 AM Forrest Christian (List Account)
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
I'm working on doing specs for a project (home) which will
require burying new water and sewer lines on the property.
I'm tired of not being able to locate these after they're buried
so I plan on having the contractor bury some tracer wire along with the
plumbing.
I've learned that the best option for things like this is to
either spec or provide exactly what I want buried. Otherwise you'll end up
with some inexperienced contractor which installs something which won't work.
Apparently the choices for tracer wire are far more varied than I
had expected. Insulation, metal type, gauge, color, and so on.
It looks like 14AWG copper HMWPE might be what I'm looking for.
But there are other options as well. Does any of this work better or is less
(or more) likely to be damaged in a way which makes it untraceable? I'm
assuming green and blue will be needed for sewer and water.
I don't think the following will apply, but there is also the
possibility that at least one of the lines won't terminate at one end anywhere
that we can poke the wire up above the ground (tapping into existing line) I'm
assuming that one can resolve this by laying a ground rod in the trench and
terminating to that.
Any other things I should watch for here?
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