the vertical concern is based in the real world. A guy will believe his locator and not pothole.
by attached i mean a wrap or tape if its trench. you can get any pipe you want to pay for. i dont know what plumbers can get embedded On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 8:56 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > Ohio is 18 inches and some people tell me neighboring states are 24 inches > horizontally. > > >The bug concern is vertical > > That's what I'm talking about - if you're below or above the 3 inch pipe, > that's a 3 inch variance. > > >If I was paying id spec the trace be attached to the product > > Can you get tracer wire built onto plumbing pipe? > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 5:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> if youre paying to be able to trace, that trace should be exact, no >> tolerance on installation. My locator it most of the time dead on. The bug >> concern is vertical. If the pipe is sitting at 48" but the trace is coiled >> up to 24, some yahoo isnt gonna pothole and drill under it. Nobody gives a >> shit about liability when their utility is blasted, they want their utility >> back on. A sloppy trace also causes cut tracers that dont get spliced. We >> are supposed to pothole to the side of the mark to avoid hitting the >> utility top on. >> If I was paying id spec the trace be attached to the product >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:25 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >>> How big of a pipe would it have to be for that to be a concern? I would >>> think ~3 inches of variance is within the spec of the locator. >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 4:20 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> stand over them when theyre putting it in to make sure they dont just >>>> randomly toss it in the open trench. you dont want it toning out at a >>>> different depth/horizontal because it coiled up. especially if theyre doing >>>> a wide trench excavation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:39 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> All these seem to be UF >>>>> https://www.plumbersstock.com/water-works/tracer-wire.html >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 9, 2023 10:18 AM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Direct bury tracer wire >>>>> reccomendations/experience. >>>>> >>>>> We specced safe-trace with 1800lb pullback strength for our current >>>>> project and will likely makenthat the standard for anything drilled in >>>>> moving forward. Not sure it is overkill. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 14 gauge is rugged and will last. I think the gas company out here >>>>>> uses 14 gauge. 20 gauge on up is not terribly strong. UDOT recently >>>>>> changed their spec for the tracer molded into MD7 microduct from 20 gauge >>>>>> to 14 gauge. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 9, 2023 9:37 AM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Direct bury tracer wire >>>>>> reccomendations/experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't you have some random copper laying around? Our fiber tracer >>>>>> wire is 24 awg. Just place the conductive wire in the same hole as the >>>>>> water/sewer lines. The color is kind of pointless but I guess you could >>>>>> spend the money and follow the rules *shrug*. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the wire ends the locate ends. Why not just extend the wire with >>>>>> the new pipe? >>>>>> >>>>>> 14 gauge seems like way too big if you ask me, that's a lot of money >>>>>> down that new sewer line. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:31 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) < >>>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm working on doing specs for a project (home) which will require >>>>>>> burying new water and sewer lines on the property. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm tired of not being able to locate these after they're buried so >>>>>>> I plan on having the contractor bury some tracer wire along with the >>>>>>> plumbing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've learned that the best option for things like this is to either >>>>>>> spec or provide exactly what I want buried. Otherwise you'll end up >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> some inexperienced contractor which installs something which won't work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently the choices for tracer wire are far more varied than I >>>>>>> had expected. Insulation, metal type, gauge, color, and so on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks like 14AWG copper HMWPE might be what I'm looking for. But >>>>>>> there are other options as well. Does any of this work better or is >>>>>>> less >>>>>>> (or more) likely to be damaged in a way which makes it untraceable? I'm >>>>>>> assuming green and blue will be needed for sewer and water. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think the following will apply, but there is also the >>>>>>> possibility that at least one of the lines won't terminate at one end >>>>>>> anywhere that we can poke the wire up above the ground (tapping into >>>>>>> existing line) I'm assuming that one can resolve this by laying a ground >>>>>>> rod in the trench and terminating to that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any other things I should watch for here? >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>> >>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>> >>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>> >>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>> >>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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