if youre paying to be able to trace, that trace should be exact, no tolerance on installation. My locator it most of the time dead on. The bug concern is vertical. If the pipe is sitting at 48" but the trace is coiled up to 24, some yahoo isnt gonna pothole and drill under it. Nobody gives a shit about liability when their utility is blasted, they want their utility back on. A sloppy trace also causes cut tracers that dont get spliced. We are supposed to pothole to the side of the mark to avoid hitting the utility top on. If I was paying id spec the trace be attached to the product
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:25 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > How big of a pipe would it have to be for that to be a concern? I would > think ~3 inches of variance is within the spec of the locator. > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 4:20 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> stand over them when theyre putting it in to make sure they dont just >> randomly toss it in the open trench. you dont want it toning out at a >> different depth/horizontal because it coiled up. especially if theyre doing >> a wide trench excavation. >> >> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:39 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> All these seem to be UF >>> https://www.plumbersstock.com/water-works/tracer-wire.html >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Monday, January 9, 2023 10:18 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Direct bury tracer wire >>> reccomendations/experience. >>> >>> We specced safe-trace with 1800lb pullback strength for our current >>> project and will likely makenthat the standard for anything drilled in >>> moving forward. Not sure it is overkill. >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> 14 gauge is rugged and will last. I think the gas company out here >>>> uses 14 gauge. 20 gauge on up is not terribly strong. UDOT recently >>>> changed their spec for the tracer molded into MD7 microduct from 20 gauge >>>> to 14 gauge. >>>> >>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 9, 2023 9:37 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Direct bury tracer wire >>>> reccomendations/experience. >>>> >>>> Don't you have some random copper laying around? Our fiber tracer wire >>>> is 24 awg. Just place the conductive wire in the same hole as the >>>> water/sewer lines. The color is kind of pointless but I guess you could >>>> spend the money and follow the rules *shrug*. >>>> >>>> If the wire ends the locate ends. Why not just extend the wire with >>>> the new pipe? >>>> >>>> 14 gauge seems like way too big if you ask me, that's a lot of money >>>> down that new sewer line. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:31 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) < >>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm working on doing specs for a project (home) which will require >>>>> burying new water and sewer lines on the property. >>>>> >>>>> I'm tired of not being able to locate these after they're buried so I >>>>> plan on having the contractor bury some tracer wire along with the >>>>> plumbing. >>>>> >>>>> I've learned that the best option for things like this is to either >>>>> spec or provide exactly what I want buried. Otherwise you'll end up with >>>>> some inexperienced contractor which installs something which won't work. >>>>> >>>>> Apparently the choices for tracer wire are far more varied than I had >>>>> expected. Insulation, metal type, gauge, color, and so on. >>>>> >>>>> It looks like 14AWG copper HMWPE might be what I'm looking for. But >>>>> there are other options as well. Does any of this work better or is >>>>> less >>>>> (or more) likely to be damaged in a way which makes it untraceable? I'm >>>>> assuming green and blue will be needed for sewer and water. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think the following will apply, but there is also the >>>>> possibility that at least one of the lines won't terminate at one end >>>>> anywhere that we can poke the wire up above the ground (tapping into >>>>> existing line) I'm assuming that one can resolve this by laying a ground >>>>> rod in the trench and terminating to that. >>>>> >>>>> Any other things I should watch for here? >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>> >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> >>> (410) 637-3707 >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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