PS there are more flexible forms of amplitude panning - but Im trying to keep it brief ! Fro circles Vbap the one I reckon.
On 27 March 2018 at 13:25, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: > PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns - > reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus system in > Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact the > balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a really > irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it (theres > possibly other software available - thats just what I use) > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I dont >> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks >>> And impressive work! >>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >>> BR >>> Søren Bendixen >>> >>> Sendt fra min iPad >>> >>> > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >>> > >>> > This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >>> > >>> > J >>> > >>> > http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >>> > >>> > >>> > On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >>> > >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project >>> with >>> >> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice >>> would be >>> >> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >>> sweet >>> >> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and >>> >> occasionally for museums, >>> >> best, >>> >> Gus >>> >> >>> >> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >>> quite >>> >>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in >>> phase >>> >>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a >>> signal >>> >>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a >>> lower >>> >>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >>> >> equidistant >>> >>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >>> >> pressure >>> >>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >>> >> pattern. >>> >>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because >>> of >>> >> the >>> >>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>> >>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, >>> unless >>> >>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel >>> signal. >>> >>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>> >>> >>> >>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper >>> and >>> >>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which >>> >> could >>> >>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs >>> which >>> >> will >>> >>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched >>> a >>> >>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS >>> >>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same >>> time. >>> >>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >>> >>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, >>> so >>> >>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hello >>> >>>> I need some advice! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: >>> >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >>> >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project >>> >>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >>> >>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot >>> lately, >>> >>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting >>> stuff to >>> >>> binaural. >>> >>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my >>> speakers. I >>> >>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >>> >>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I >>> can >>> >>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I >>> do >>> >>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the >>> >>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into >>> another >>> >> DAW >>> >>> is difficult. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >>> >>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some >>> >>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging >>> every >>> >>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I >>> >> started >>> >>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 >>> compositions/sounddesign >>> >>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from >>> asoundeffect). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker >>> >>> placement. >>> >>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this >>> is >>> >>> what want to do: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related >>> to >>> >>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other >>> >>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up >>> >>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This >>> sounddesign >>> >> will >>> >>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part >>> of >>> >> the >>> >>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign >>> will >>> >>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different >>> >> audiofiles >>> >>> (managed by Qlab). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square >>> but >>> >>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting >>> >> movies >>> >>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly >>> season >>> >>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just >>> the >>> >>> sound of a cold cold morning..). >>> >>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. >>> >>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking >>> or >>> >>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and >>> >> into >>> >>> headphones. and back. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle >>> will >>> >>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear >>> >>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave >>> what I >>> >>> call the overall sounddesign. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So how do I do that..? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” >>> a >>> >>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. >>> >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>> >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. >>> >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>> >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? >>> >>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd >>> >>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. >>> >>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the >>> >>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the >>> middle of >>> >> a >>> >>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like >>> the >>> >>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker >>> >>> configuration..right? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both >>> >>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific >>> position)- >>> >>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an >>> overall >>> >>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same >>> >> design…? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> And what software do I need? >>> >>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make >>> >>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files >>> >>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound >>> for >>> >>> headphones. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I´m testing >>> >>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic >>> too) >>> >>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics >>> output) - >>> >>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) >>> >>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses >>> some >>> >>> automation) >>> >>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I’m about to test >>> >>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX >>> >>>> Rondo360 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can >>> handle >>> >>> ambisonics, right? >>> >>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper >>> >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < >>> >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different >>> >>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and >>> make >>> >>> all three in the same session…in logic. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use >>> for >>> >>> some odd stuff. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So - what do you recommend? >>> >>>> And what do see as problems/issues? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to >>> says: >>> >>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) >>> >>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does >>> >> far >>> >>> more weird stuff than this :-) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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