Learning Max would take much longer than learning Nuendo. Its not max for live perse but the standalone software max msp which predated max for live Im suggesting. I wouldnt try and use live for this and Logic doesnt have enough busses. What you are describing is the kind of work I do very often - Im afraid the learning curve would be quite steep as you need to learn new software. I would learn reaper.
On 27 March 2018 at 13:32, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: > I could afford Nuendo, but are nervous about time for learning. > Max—is it max for live? > I work daily in Ableton Live, but guess max is a different thing. > Logic has 8 ch busses. > > > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.25 skrev Augustine Leudar < > augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > > > PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns - > > reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus system > in > > Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact the > > balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a > really > > irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it (theres > > possibly other software available - thats just what I use) > > > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com > <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > >> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of > >> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally > >> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I > dont > >> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. > >> > >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks > >>> And impressive work! > >>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude > >>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) > >>> BR > >>> Søren Bendixen > >>> > >>> Sendt fra min iPad > >>> > >>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < > >>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: > >>>> > >>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. > >>>> > >>>> J > >>>> > >>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape > >>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar < > augustineleu...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project > >>> with > >>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice > would > >>> be > >>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - > >>> sweet > >>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and > >>>>> occasionally for museums, > >>>>> best, > >>>>> Gus > >>>>> > >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a > >>> quite > >>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in > >>> phase > >>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a > >>> signal > >>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a > >>> lower > >>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned > >>>>> equidistant > >>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air > >>>>> pressure > >>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic > >>>>> pattern. > >>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because > of > >>>>> the > >>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. > >>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, > >>> unless > >>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel > signal. > >>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper > >>> and > >>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins > which > >>>>> could > >>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs > which > >>>>> will > >>>>>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just > launched a > >>>>>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS > >>>>>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same > >>> time. > >>>>>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! > >>>>>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, > so > >>>>>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hope this helps! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jack > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com > > > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello > >>>>>>> I need some advice! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now > (read: > >>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < > >>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next > project > >>>>>> could be the one using ambisonics!… > >>>>>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot > >>> lately, > >>>>>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting > stuff > >>> to > >>>>>> binaural. > >>>>>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my > speakers. > >>> I > >>>>>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. > >>>>>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I > >>> can > >>>>>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I > >>> do > >>>>>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - > the > >>>>>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into > >>> another > >>>>> DAW > >>>>>> is difficult. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use > >>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some > >>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging > every > >>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I > >>>>> started > >>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 > >>> compositions/sounddesign > >>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from > >>> asoundeffect). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker > >>>>>> placement. > >>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this > is > >>>>>> what want to do: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related > >>> to > >>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other > >>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters > up > >>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This > sounddesign > >>>>> will > >>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part > of > >>>>> the > >>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign > >>> will > >>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different > >>>>> audiofiles > >>>>>> (managed by Qlab). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square > >>> but > >>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting > >>>>> movies > >>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly > >>> season > >>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just > >>> the > >>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..). > >>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. > >>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking > or > >>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle > and > >>>>> into > >>>>>> headphones. and back. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle > >>> will > >>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will > hear > >>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave > >>> what I > >>>>>> call the overall sounddesign. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So how do I do that..? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim > for” a > >>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. > >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. > >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? > >>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd > >>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. > >>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is > the > >>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the > middle > >>> of > >>>>> a > >>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like > >>> the > >>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker > >>>>>> configuration..right? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both > >>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific > >>> position)- > >>>>>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an > >>> overall > >>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same > >>>>> design…? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And what software do I need? > >>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and > make > >>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files > >>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound > >>> for > >>>>>> headphones. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I´m testing > >>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic > >>> too) > >>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics > output) > >>> - > >>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) > >>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses > >>> some > >>>>>> automation) > >>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I’m about to test > >>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX > >>>>>>> Rondo360 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can > >>> handle > >>>>>> ambisonics, right? > >>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper > >>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < > >>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different > >>>>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and > >>> make > >>>>>> all three in the same session…in logic. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use > for > >>>>>> some odd stuff. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So - what do you recommend? > >>>>>>> And what do see as problems/issues? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to > says: > >>>>>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) > >>>>>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how > does > >>>>> far > >>>>>> more weird stuff than this :-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- Dr. Augustine Leudar Artistic Director Magik Door LTD Company Number : NI635217 Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, Belfast BT88LL www.magikdoor.net On 27 March 2018 at 13:32, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: > 👍 > > > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.28 skrev Augustine Leudar < > augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > > > PS there are more flexible forms of amplitude panning - but Im trying to > > keep it brief ! Fro circles Vbap the one I reckon. > > > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:25, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com > <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > >> PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns > - > >> reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus > system in > >> Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact > the > >> balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a > really > >> irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it > (theres > >> possibly other software available - thats just what I use) > >> > >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of > >>> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally > >>> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I > dont > >>> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. > >>> > >>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> And impressive work! > >>>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude > >>>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) > >>>> BR > >>>> Søren Bendixen > >>>> > >>>> Sendt fra min iPad > >>>> > >>>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < > >>>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: > >>>>> > >>>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. > >>>>> > >>>>> J > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape > >>>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar < > augustineleu...@gmail.com > >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project > >>>> with > >>>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice > >>>> would be > >>>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - > >>>> sweet > >>>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations > and > >>>>>> occasionally for museums, > >>>>>> best, > >>>>>> Gus > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com > > > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a > >>>> quite > >>>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in > >>>> phase > >>>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a > >>>> signal > >>>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a > >>>> lower > >>>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned > >>>>>> equidistant > >>>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air > >>>>>> pressure > >>>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic > >>>>>> pattern. > >>>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because > >>>> of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. > >>>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, > >>>> unless > >>>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel > >>>> signal. > >>>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in > Reaper > >>>> and > >>>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins > which > >>>>>> could > >>>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs > >>>> which > >>>>>> will > >>>>>>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just > launched > >>>> a > >>>>>>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try > MATHIAS > >>>>>>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same > >>>> time. > >>>>>>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! > >>>>>>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, > >>>> so > >>>>>>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hope this helps! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jack > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen < > soerenbendi...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello > >>>>>>>> I need some advice! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now > (read: > >>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < > >>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next > project > >>>>>>> could be the one using ambisonics!… > >>>>>>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot > >>>> lately, > >>>>>>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting > >>>> stuff to > >>>>>>> binaural. > >>>>>>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my > >>>> speakers. I > >>>>>>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. > >>>>>>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I > >>>> can > >>>>>>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. > I > >>>> do > >>>>>>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - > the > >>>>>>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into > >>>> another > >>>>>> DAW > >>>>>>> is difficult. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use > >>>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, > some > >>>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging > >>>> every > >>>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I > >>>>>> started > >>>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 > >>>> compositions/sounddesign > >>>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from > >>>> asoundeffect). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker > >>>>>>> placement. > >>>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this > >>>> is > >>>>>>> what want to do: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one > related > >>>> to > >>>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other > >>>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters > up > >>>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This > >>>> sounddesign > >>>>>> will > >>>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part > >>>> of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign > >>>> will > >>>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different > >>>>>> audiofiles > >>>>>>> (managed by Qlab). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is > square > >>>> but > >>>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting > >>>>>> movies > >>>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly > >>>> season > >>>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just > >>>> the > >>>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..). > >>>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. > >>>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking > >>>> or > >>>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle > and > >>>>>> into > >>>>>>> headphones. and back. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle > >>>> will > >>>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will > hear > >>>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave > >>>> what I > >>>>>>> call the overall sounddesign. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So how do I do that..? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim > for” > >>>> a > >>>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. > >>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > >>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. > >>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > >>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? > >>>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition > crowd > >>>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. > >>>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is > the > >>>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the > >>>> middle of > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also > like > >>>> the > >>>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker > >>>>>>> configuration..right? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both > >>>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific > >>>> position)- > >>>>>>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an > >>>> overall > >>>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same > >>>>>> design…? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> And what software do I need? > >>>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and > make > >>>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files > >>>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound > >>>> for > >>>>>>> headphones. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I´m testing > >>>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic > >>>> too) > >>>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics > >>>> output) - > >>>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) > >>>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses > >>>> some > >>>>>>> automation) > >>>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I’m about to test > >>>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX > >>>>>>>> Rondo360 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can > >>>> handle > >>>>>>> ambisonics, right? > >>>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper > >>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < > >>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different > >>>>>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and > >>>> make > >>>>>>> all three in the same session…in logic. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use > >>>> for > >>>>>>> some odd stuff. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So - what do you recommend? > >>>>>>>> And what do see as problems/issues? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to > >>>> says: > >>>>>>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) > >>>>>>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how > does > >>>>>> far > >>>>>>> more weird stuff than this :-) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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