This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. J
http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/papers/marentakis_2014c.pdf On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project with > two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice would be > to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - sweet > spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and > occasionally for museums, > best, > Gus > > On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a quite > > confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in phase > > and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a signal > > towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a lower > > level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned > equidistant > > from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air > pressure > > at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic > pattern. > > So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because of > the > > opposite pairs of speakers. > > It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, unless > > you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel signal. > > So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? > > > > I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper and > > have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which > could > > be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs which > will > > give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched a > > customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS > > Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same time. > > They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! > > PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, so > > first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Cheers > > > > Jack > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello > > > I need some advice! > > > > > > I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: > > https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < > > https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project > > could be the one using ambisonics!… > > > I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot lately, > > and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting stuff to > > binaural. > > > And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my speakers. I > > did that a while back and it sounded very cool. > > > I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I can > > get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. > > > > > > I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I do > > most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the > > exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into another > DAW > > is difficult. > > > > > > I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use > > standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some > > sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging every > > sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I > started > > out working this way because I was asked to do 3 compositions/sounddesign > > playing in the same room - (please read the article from asoundeffect). > > > > > > Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker > > placement. > > > But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this is > > what want to do: > > > > > > - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related to > > the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other > > circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. > > > > > > - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up > > pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This sounddesign > will > > consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part of > the > > exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign will > > appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different > audiofiles > > (managed by Qlab). > > > > > > - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square but > > we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting > movies > > on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly season > > related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just the > > sound of a cold cold morning..). > > > his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. > > > If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking or > > wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and > into > > headphones. and back. > > > > > > The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle will > > blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear > > layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave what I > > call the overall sounddesign. > > > > > > So how do I do that..? > > > > > > First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” a > > sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. > > creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > > ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. > > creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > > ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? > > > It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd > > walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. > > > And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the > > best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle of > a > > storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like the > > idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker > > configuration..right? > > > > > > So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both > > overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific position)- > > and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an overall > > ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same > design…? > > > > > > And what software do I need? > > > I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make > > ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files > > > and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound for > > headphones. > > > > > > I´m testing > > > Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic too) > > > DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output) - > > (sounds great and the panner is very good) > > > And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses some > > automation) > > > Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) > > > > > > I’m about to test > > > Waves ambisonics B360 + NX > > > Rondo360 > > > > > > Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can handle > > ambisonics, right? > > > I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper > > https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < > > https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> > > > > > > I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different > > sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and make > > all three in the same session…in logic. > > > > > > I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for > > some odd stuff. > > > > > > So - what do you recommend? > > > And what do see as problems/issues? > > > > > > I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says: > > Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) > > > And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does > far > > more weird stuff than this :-) > > > > > > I hope I’ve made myself clear. If not: tell me. > > > > > > Med venlig hilsen/Best regards > > > > > > Søren Bendixen > > > Composer/Sound Designer/Producer > > > > > > Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, > At > > Moesgaard Museum > > > > > > New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag > > > soerenbendi...@gmail.com > > > +45 60624394 > > > www.soerenbendixen.com > > > Facebook > > > Soundcloud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > > attachments/20180327/e3c21b73/attachment.html> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 61248 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > > attachments/20180327/e3c21b73/attachment.jpg> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sursound mailing list > > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > here, > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > > > -- > Dr. Augustine Leudar > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > Company Number : NI635217 > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > Belfast BT88LL > www.magikdoor.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > attachments/20180327/8d98ceee/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- 07889727365 02036861372 3 Swimmers Lane Haggerston London E2 8FR www.facebook.com/reynoldsmicrophones www.sohovr.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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