Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project with two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice would be to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - sweet spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and occasionally for museums, best, Gus
On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> wrote: > As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a quite > confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in phase > and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a signal > towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a lower > level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned equidistant > from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air pressure > at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic pattern. > So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because of the > opposite pairs of speakers. > It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, unless > you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel signal. > So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? > > I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper and > have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which could > be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs which will > give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched a > customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS > Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same time. > They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! > PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, so > first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. > > Hope this helps! > > Cheers > > Jack > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hello > > I need some advice! > > > > I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: > https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < > https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project > could be the one using ambisonics!… > > I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot lately, > and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting stuff to > binaural. > > And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my speakers. I > did that a while back and it sounded very cool. > > I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I can > get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. > > > > I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I do > most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the > exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into another DAW > is difficult. > > > > I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use > standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some > sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging every > sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I started > out working this way because I was asked to do 3 compositions/sounddesign > playing in the same room - (please read the article from asoundeffect). > > > > Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker > placement. > > But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this is > what want to do: > > > > - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related to > the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other > circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. > > > > - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up > pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This sounddesign will > consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part of the > exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign will > appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different audiofiles > (managed by Qlab). > > > > - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square but > we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting movies > on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly season > related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just the > sound of a cold cold morning..). > > his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. > > If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking or > wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and into > headphones. and back. > > > > The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle will > blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear > layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave what I > call the overall sounddesign. > > > > So how do I do that..? > > > > First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” a > sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. > creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. > creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? > > It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd > walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. > > And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the > best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle of a > storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like the > idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker > configuration..right? > > > > So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both > overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific position)- > and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an overall > ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same design…? > > > > And what software do I need? > > I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make > ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files > > and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound for > headphones. > > > > I´m testing > > Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic too) > > DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output) - > (sounds great and the panner is very good) > > And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses some > automation) > > Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) > > > > I’m about to test > > Waves ambisonics B360 + NX > > Rondo360 > > > > Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can handle > ambisonics, right? > > I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper > https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < > https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> > > > > I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different > sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and make > all three in the same session…in logic. > > > > I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for > some odd stuff. > > > > So - what do you recommend? > > And what do see as problems/issues? > > > > I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says: > Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) > > And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does far > more weird stuff than this :-) > > > > I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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