Actually I've ehad a thought about how you could do it in Logic. Give me a bell +44 (0) 7719456112 best Gus
On 27 March 2018 at 13:36, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Learning Max would take much longer than learning Nuendo. Its not max for > live perse but the standalone software max msp which predated max for live > Im suggesting. > I wouldnt try and use live for this and Logic doesnt have enough busses. > What you are describing is the kind of work I do very often - Im afraid the > learning curve would be quite steep as you need to learn new software. I > would learn reaper. > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:32, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I could afford Nuendo, but are nervous about time for learning. >> Max—is it max for live? >> I work daily in Ableton Live, but guess max is a different thing. >> Logic has 8 ch busses. >> >> > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.25 skrev Augustine Leudar < >> augustineleu...@gmail.com>: >> > >> > PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns >> - >> > reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus >> system in >> > Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact >> the >> > balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a >> really >> > irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it >> (theres >> > possibly other software available - thats just what I use) >> > >> > On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >> <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> >> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >> >> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >> >> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I >> dont >> >> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >> >> >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Thanks >> >>> And impressive work! >> >>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >> >>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >> >>> BR >> >>> Søren Bendixen >> >>> >> >>> Sendt fra min iPad >> >>> >> >>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >> >>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >> >>>> >> >>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >> >>>> >> >>>> J >> >>>> >> >>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >> >>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar < >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project >> >>> with >> >>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice >> would >> >>> be >> >>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >> >>> sweet >> >>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations >> and >> >>>>> occasionally for museums, >> >>>>> best, >> >>>>> Gus >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com >> > >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >> >>> quite >> >>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in >> >>> phase >> >>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a >> >>> signal >> >>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a >> >>> lower >> >>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >> >>>>> equidistant >> >>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >> >>>>> pressure >> >>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >> >>>>> pattern. >> >>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change >> because of >> >>>>> the >> >>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. >> >>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, >> >>> unless >> >>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel >> signal. >> >>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in >> Reaper >> >>> and >> >>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins >> which >> >>>>> could >> >>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs >> which >> >>>>> will >> >>>>>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just >> launched a >> >>>>>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try >> MATHIAS >> >>>>>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same >> >>> time. >> >>>>>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >> >>>>>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do >> 8, so >> >>>>>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hope this helps! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Cheers >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Jack >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen < >> soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hello >> >>>>>>> I need some advice! >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now >> (read: >> >>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >> >>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next >> project >> >>>>>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >> >>>>>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot >> >>> lately, >> >>>>>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting >> stuff >> >>> to >> >>>>>> binaural. >> >>>>>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my >> speakers. >> >>> I >> >>>>>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >> >>>>>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I >> >>> can >> >>>>>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. >> I >> >>> do >> >>>>>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - >> the >> >>>>>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into >> >>> another >> >>>>> DAW >> >>>>>> is difficult. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >> >>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, >> some >> >>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging >> every >> >>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I >> >>>>> started >> >>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 >> >>> compositions/sounddesign >> >>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from >> >>> asoundeffect). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker >> >>>>>> placement. >> >>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and >> this is >> >>>>>> what want to do: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one >> related >> >>> to >> >>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other >> >>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters >> up >> >>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This >> sounddesign >> >>>>> will >> >>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this >> part of >> >>>>> the >> >>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign >> >>> will >> >>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different >> >>>>> audiofiles >> >>>>>> (managed by Qlab). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is >> square >> >>> but >> >>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting >> >>>>> movies >> >>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly >> >>> season >> >>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just >> >>> the >> >>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..). >> >>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. >> >>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people >> walking or >> >>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle >> and >> >>>>> into >> >>>>>> headphones. and back. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle >> >>> will >> >>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will >> hear >> >>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave >> >>> what I >> >>>>>> call the overall sounddesign. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> So how do I do that..? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim >> for” a >> >>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. >> >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >> >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. >> >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >> >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? >> >>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition >> crowd >> >>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. >> >>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is >> the >> >>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the >> middle >> >>> of >> >>>>> a >> >>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also >> like >> >>> the >> >>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker >> >>>>>> configuration..right? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both >> >>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific >> >>> position)- >> >>>>>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an >> >>> overall >> >>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same >> >>>>> design…? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> And what software do I need? >> >>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and >> make >> >>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files >> >>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound >> >>> for >> >>>>>> headphones. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I´m testing >> >>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic >> >>> too) >> >>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics >> output) >> >>> - >> >>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) >> >>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses >> >>> some >> >>>>>> automation) >> >>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I’m about to test >> >>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX >> >>>>>>> Rondo360 >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can >> >>> handle >> >>>>>> ambisonics, right? >> >>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper >> >>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < >> >>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different >> >>>>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and >> >>> make >> >>>>>> all three in the same session…in logic. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use >> for >> >>>>>> some odd stuff. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> So - what do you recommend? >> >>>>>>> And what do see as problems/issues? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to >> says: >> >>>>>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) >> >>>>>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how >> does >> >>>>> far >> >>>>>> more weird stuff than this :-) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > > > > -- > Dr. Augustine Leudar > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > Company Number : NI635217 > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > Belfast BT88LL > www.magikdoor.net > > > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:32, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> 👍 >> >> > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.28 skrev Augustine Leudar < >> augustineleu...@gmail.com>: >> > >> > PS there are more flexible forms of amplitude panning - but Im trying to >> > keep it brief ! Fro circles Vbap the one I reckon. >> > >> > On 27 March 2018 at 13:25, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >> <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price >> concerns - >> >> reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus >> system in >> >> Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact >> the >> >> balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a >> really >> >> irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it >> (theres >> >> possibly other software available - thats just what I use) >> >> >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >> >>> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >> >>> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I >> dont >> >>> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >> >>> >> >>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Thanks >> >>>> And impressive work! >> >>>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >> >>>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >> >>>> BR >> >>>> Søren Bendixen >> >>>> >> >>>> Sendt fra min iPad >> >>>> >> >>>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >> >>>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> J >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >> >>>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar < >> augustineleu...@gmail.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar >> project >> >>>> with >> >>>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice >> >>>> would be >> >>>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >> >>>> sweet >> >>>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations >> and >> >>>>>> occasionally for museums, >> >>>>>> best, >> >>>>>> Gus >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds < >> jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >> >>>> quite >> >>>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an >> in >> >>>> phase >> >>>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a >> >>>> signal >> >>>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a >> >>>> lower >> >>>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >> >>>>>> equidistant >> >>>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >> >>>>>> pressure >> >>>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >> >>>>>> pattern. >> >>>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change >> because >> >>>> of >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. >> >>>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, >> >>>> unless >> >>>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel >> >>>> signal. >> >>>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in >> Reaper >> >>>> and >> >>>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins >> which >> >>>>>> could >> >>>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs >> >>>> which >> >>>>>> will >> >>>>>>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just >> launched >> >>>> a >> >>>>>>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try >> MATHIAS >> >>>>>>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the >> same >> >>>> time. >> >>>>>>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >> >>>>>>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do >> 8, >> >>>> so >> >>>>>>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hope this helps! >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Cheers >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Jack >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen < >> soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Hello >> >>>>>>>> I need some advice! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now >> (read: >> >>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >> >>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next >> project >> >>>>>>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >> >>>>>>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot >> >>>> lately, >> >>>>>>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting >> >>>> stuff to >> >>>>>>> binaural. >> >>>>>>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my >> >>>> speakers. I >> >>>>>>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >> >>>>>>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope >> I >> >>>> can >> >>>>>>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and >> Reaper. I >> >>>> do >> >>>>>>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - >> the >> >>>>>>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into >> >>>> another >> >>>>>> DAW >> >>>>>>> is difficult. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >> >>>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, >> some >> >>>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging >> >>>> every >> >>>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and >> I >> >>>>>> started >> >>>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 >> >>>> compositions/sounddesign >> >>>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from >> >>>> asoundeffect). >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker >> >>>>>>> placement. >> >>>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and >> this >> >>>> is >> >>>>>>> what want to do: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one >> related >> >>>> to >> >>>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two >> other >> >>>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 >> meters up >> >>>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This >> >>>> sounddesign >> >>>>>> will >> >>>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this >> part >> >>>> of >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign >> >>>> will >> >>>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different >> >>>>>> audiofiles >> >>>>>>> (managed by Qlab). >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is >> square >> >>>> but >> >>>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by >> projecting >> >>>>>> movies >> >>>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly >> >>>> season >> >>>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and >> just >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..). >> >>>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. >> >>>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people >> walking >> >>>> or >> >>>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle >> and >> >>>>>> into >> >>>>>>> headphones. and back. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle >> >>>> will >> >>>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will >> hear >> >>>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave >> >>>> what I >> >>>>>>> call the overall sounddesign. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> So how do I do that..? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim >> for” >> >>>> a >> >>>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. >> >>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >> >>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. >> >>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >> >>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? >> >>>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition >> crowd >> >>>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. >> >>>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is >> the >> >>>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the >> >>>> middle of >> >>>>>> a >> >>>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also >> like >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker >> >>>>>>> configuration..right? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs >> both >> >>>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific >> >>>> position)- >> >>>>>>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an >> >>>> overall >> >>>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the >> same >> >>>>>> design…? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> And what software do I need? >> >>>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and >> make >> >>>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files >> >>>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural >> sound >> >>>> for >> >>>>>>> headphones. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I´m testing >> >>>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in >> logic >> >>>> too) >> >>>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics >> >>>> output) - >> >>>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) >> >>>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses >> >>>> some >> >>>>>>> automation) >> >>>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I’m about to test >> >>>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX >> >>>>>>>> Rondo360 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can >> >>>> handle >> >>>>>>> ambisonics, right? >> >>>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper >> >>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < >> >>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different >> >>>>>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try >> and >> >>>> make >> >>>>>>> all three in the same session…in logic. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use >> >>>> for >> >>>>>>> some odd stuff. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> So - what do you recommend? >> >>>>>>>> And what do see as problems/issues? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to >> >>>> says: >> >>>>>>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) >> >>>>>>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how >> does >> >>>>>> far >> >>>>>>> more weird stuff than this :-) >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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