>
> > - searching works perfectly , bla bla
>
> Yes, but we're not searching in the traditional sense. That is,
> searching is not simply a matter of entering text. It's really more
> about contextual awareness than searching. For instance, let's say you
> have an external harddisk that
I don't fully understand why are you mentioning that there will be a
"large" number of web applications . It would be simply one lens
full of links to the user's preferred web applications (actually
websites...) . These can be maybe 10-20 , not thousands . It's
hard to see what is the
On 27. feb. 2012 12:25, Adrian Maier wrote:
I probably wouldn't even notice that every Friday ,the Poker is
shown the first in the list of frequently used apps. And that in the
rest of the days it's the 10th in the list.
It seems you're still thinking about it as browsing menus. You
sho
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 01:14, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> On 26. feb. 2012 22:49, Adrian Maier wrote:
>> Locating/searching is one thing . And the actual storage of the
>> files is another thing .
>>
>> Let's not mix those two things together.
>
>
> Exactly. Storage is completely irrelevant.
Yes Adrian, there are quite some technical, interaction-design and
political challenges connected to moving away from a hierarchical
filesystem representation. Whether it might be worth can be considered
an open question.
The possible benefits and drawbacks can only be worked out by analyzing
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 05:52, Michael Hall wrote:
>
>> Locating/searching is one thing . And the actual storage of the
>> files is another thing .
>>
>> Let's not mix those two things together.
>>
> A filesystem, hierachical or not, is nothing more than a simple database
> with a specially craf
Locating/searching is one thing . And the actual storage of the
files is another thing .
Let's not mix those two things together.
A filesystem, hierachical or not, is nothing more than a simple database
with a specially crafted primary key. I guarantee you there is no tree
structure on yo
On 26. feb. 2012 22:49, Adrian Maier wrote:
Come on ...a filesystem that has hardlinks/symlinks is still a
directory tree .
That is a little bit dependent on how you see it, but it's besides the
point. How files are organized at a low level, isn't important to
high-level tools and user
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 21:10, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> On 26. feb. 2012 19:23, Adrian Maier wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 20:02, Michael Hall wrote:
The hierachical directories is concept too deeply used in all
operating systems . It will not go away just because many
On 26. feb. 2012 19:23, Adrian Maier wrote:
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 20:02, Michael Hall wrote:
The hierachical directories is concept too deeply used in all
operating systems . It will not go away just because many users use
their computers only for web and searching photos/videos/music .
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 20:02, Michael Hall wrote:
>
>> The hierachical directories is concept too deeply used in all
>> operating systems . It will not go away just because many users use
>> their computers only for web and searching photos/videos/music .
>>
> Phones and Tablets don't expose a
The hierachical directories is concept too deeply used in all
operating systems . It will not go away just because many users use
their computers only for web and searching photos/videos/music .
Phones and Tablets don't expose a hierarchical filesystem, which proves
that users can easily ad
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:32, Matt Richardson
wrote:
> Whilst it's great that finding applications can now be done by tags, I was
> actually referring to replacing the whole folder/fie system with tags.
You can already have that : just save every file in a single
directory and prefix each fi
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 08:22, Josh Strawbridge
wrote:
> the dash and apps lens do allow you to browse your applications it's just
> not near as streamlined as the old menus or the dash search is and because
> of that the general experience of browsing applications in the dash for a
> number of us
On 26/02/12 03:21, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
On 25 February 2012 21:43, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)<3v...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
Unity (or better the application lens ) already supports tags or keywords
the problem is that the great majority of applications doesn't provide them
in their desktop file using t
On 25/02/12 14:38, nick rundy wrote:
I agree, which is why PageUp/PageDown functionality should be added to
the Dash---for browsing installed applications.
+1 please file a bug.
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Whilst it's great that finding applications can now be done by tags, I
was actually referring to replacing the whole folder/fie system with tags.
i.e. When I save something, I no longer select the folder to save it
into, I simply choose from a list of pre-existinsg tags (defaults and
ones I have
the dash and apps lens do allow you to browse your applications it's just
not near as streamlined as the old menus or the dash search is and because
of that the general experience of browsing applications in the dash for a
number of users falls short of the experience they had with the old menus.
i
On 25 February 2012 21:43, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) <3v...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Unity (or better the application lens ) already supports tags or keywords
> the problem is that the great majority of applications doesn't provide them
> in their desktop file using the X-GNOME-Keywords parameter.
> I t
Unity (or better the application lens ) already supports tags or keywords
the problem is that the great majority of applications doesn't provide them
in their desktop file using the X-GNOME-Keywords parameter.
I think that adding them to the applications is a great and easy way to
contribute to the
Or tags? Hierarchies are not the only way to store data.
+1
I have often felt that hierarchies, whilst sufficing initially, are a
poor way to organise data since, by their very nature, an item can only
exist in one folder.
Hard links get around this problem but personally I would love to see
On 02/25/2012 07:40 AM, Adrian Maier wrote:
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 00:04, Michael Hall wrote:
The Dash is more like a search engine than a directory listing. Think of it
like Google. You don't go to Google for a list of websites by category.
In Windows7 (or possibly Vista) they've add
On 26. feb. 2012 00:14, Adrian Maier wrote:
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 20:58, Ian Santopietro wrote:
Directory based navigation is a bad concept for modern computing. Not even
Windows is holding on to that in Windows 8. Users don't care about folders
or files. They only want to interact with data.
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 20:58, Ian Santopietro wrote:
> Directory based navigation is a bad concept for modern computing. Not even
> Windows is holding on to that in Windows 8. Users don't care about folders
> or files. They only want to interact with data.
Well, in this case i have some bad old
On 25. feb. 2012 18:36, Adrian Maier wrote:
It's possible , but not comfortable . Using the filters requires too
much clicking (see below) .
The problem is the high number of clicks needed to have the job done :
- click on dash ,
- click on "search applications" ,
- click on "Filters" ,
-
Directory based navigation is a bad concept for modern computing. Not even
Windows is holding on to that in Windows 8. Users don't care about folders
or files. They only want to interact with data.
The number of clicks in this case is completely irrelevant. If the user is
in a hurry, they will kno
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 17:52, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> On 25. feb. 2012 16:38, Adrian Maier wrote:
>>
>> There is a possibility to browse by categories. I know that you know this.
>> Perhaps you should explain why Windows' way of doing it is better?
>> Because they've found a way to add an im
On 25. feb. 2012 16:38, Adrian Maier wrote:
There is a possibility to browse by categories. I know that you know this.
Perhaps you should explain why Windows' way of doing it is better?
Because they've found a way to add an improvement (search applications
by name) without removing the traditio
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 15:48, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> On 25. feb. 2012 13:40, Adrian Maier wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 00:04, Michael Hall wrote:
>>>
>>> The Dash is more like a search engine than a directory listing. Think of
>>> it
>>> like Google. You don't go to Google for a
I agree, which is why PageUp/PageDown functionality should be added to the
Dash---for browsing installed applications.
> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:04:27 -0500
> From: mhall...@gmail.com
> To: unity-design@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Unity-design] Some impressions about
On 25. feb. 2012 13:40, Adrian Maier wrote:
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 00:04, Michael Hall wrote:
The Dash is more like a search engine than a directory listing. Think of it
like Google. You don't go to Google for a list of websites by category.
In Windows7 (or possibly Vista) they've added
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 00:04, Michael Hall wrote:
> The Dash is more like a search engine than a directory listing. Think of it
> like Google. You don't go to Google for a list of websites by category.
In Windows7 (or possibly Vista) they've added search in the Start
menu . It's very hand
The Dash is more like a search engine than a directory listing. Think
of it like Google. You don't go to Google for a list of websites by
category.
What you want is a way to browse installed applications, not find
specific applications. This isn't what the Dash is designed for.
Perhaps it
On 23. feb. 2012 22:14, Adrian Maier wrote:
I mean : hiding the "apps available for download"
Yes, that's what I mean as well. Look at Sources at the bottom of the
filters in the applications lens. Choose "Local" and you'll only show the
installed applications, and not the ones from Ubuntu Soft
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 17:43, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> On 23. feb. 2012 16:19, Adrian Maier wrote:
>>
>> I obviously had no idea about the possibility to start this gnome-panel
>> inside Unity . Thanks for the tip !
>
> You're welcome. Use AskUbuntu. Nobody knows everything, but someone knows
On 23. feb. 2012 16:19, Adrian Maier wrote:
I obviously had no idea about the possibility to start this
gnome-panel inside Unity . Thanks for the tip !
You're welcome. Use AskUbuntu. Nobody knows everything, but someone
knows everything there is to know.
You mean such as unselecting the o
;> On 22/02/12 15:29, Adrian Maier wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 17:19, nick rundy wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The problem is having to "expand" options, like the "See more
>>
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 15:36, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> On 23. feb. 2012 12:27, Adrian Maier wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 00:55, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 22. feb. 2012 23:13, Adrian Maier wrote:
The classic gnome2 menu is so efficient that I don't feel the n
2012/2/22 Adrian Maier :
> Hello people,
>
> Today I've been curious to see what is the current status of Unity
> compared to the version shipped last year with 11.04.
> So i've installed the Ubuntu daily beta 12.04 in a virtual machine .
>
>
> The main thing I would like to comment about is :
sts.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status of
> Unity
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 13:17, pjssi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Dear Adrian,
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Adrian Maier wrote:
> >
On 23. feb. 2012 12:27, Adrian Maier wrote:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 00:55, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
On 22. feb. 2012 23:13, Adrian Maier wrote:
The classic gnome2 menu is so efficient that I don't feel the need to
create shortcuts for applications ... That's why i find it extremely
producti
to get an expanded view of Applications. Also the
>>>>> filters should not have to be expanded (which I believe is the case in
>>>>> 12.04)
>>>>>
>>>>> @Adrian:
>>>>>
>>>>> if the Applications Lens defaults
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 00:55, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> On 22. feb. 2012 23:13, Adrian Maier wrote:
>>
>> The classic gnome2 menu is so efficient that I don't feel the need to
>> create shortcuts for applications ... That's why i find it extremely
>> productive .
>
> There is nothing "Gnome 2"
ound for solving a problem that didn't
>>> exist before changing something that used to work well enough ...
>>>
>>> If there is a big list with all the applications , it implies
>>> scrolling in order to find the category and then finding the
>>> application. T
ke just a workaround for solving a problem that didn't
>> exist before changing something that used to work well enough ...
>>
>> If there is a big list with all the applications , it implies
>> scrolling in order to find the category and then finding the
>> app
view .
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:39:36 +0200
From: syra...@gmail.com
To: unity-design@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status of Unity
Hello people,
Today I've been curious to see what is the current status of Unity
compared to the version sh
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 00:00, Alan Bell wrote:
> On 22/02/12 15:38, Sunil Singh Rana wrote:
>>
>> Why not have filter result shown by default, and at least in app lense
>> deselect a particular filter as soon as other filter is selected. Use may be
>> ctrl click or double click to select multiple
On 22/02/12 15:38, Sunil Singh Rana wrote:
Why not have filter result shown by default, and at least in app lense
deselect a particular filter as soon as other filter is selected. Use
may be ctrl click or double click to select multiple filters.
surely that would show even less of the stuff I ac
On 22. feb. 2012 15:39, Adrian Maier wrote:
Sorry for ranting , but killing productivity for visual cuteness is
not progress ...
It should be possible to have a classical menu with applications
categories (maybe on right-click on the desktop).
I would agree that showing the filters by default
devs have.
Is easier to get lenses to behave more the way we want.
From: nru...@hotmail.com
To: syra...@gmail.com; unity-design@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:19:33 -0500
Subject: Re: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status of Unity
The problem is having
visual noise for getting done a simple thing.
>
> I really mean that the right solution is to have a real classic menu /
> list view .
>
>
>
>
> >> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:39:36 +0200
> >> From: syra...@gmail.com
> >> To: unity-design@lists.launchpa
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 17:12, Omar B. wrote:
> Here is the bug report for people who want alternative views in lenses for
> better browsing (like list view):
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-applications/+bug/741014
This bug is only about having a different , more compact , presentation
ve a real classic menu /
list view .
>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:39:36 +0200
>> From: syra...@gmail.com
>> To: unity-design@lists.launchpad.net
>> Subject: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status of Unity
>
>>
>> Hello people,
>>
ards ; the users will have to adapt and dictate".
--
Adrian
>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:39:36 +0200
>> From: syra...@gmail.com
>> To: unity-design@lists.launchpad.net
>> Subject: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status of Unity
>
>>
>
by default, then Unity is
just as convenient as old-GNOME.
1. tap SUPER+A
2. click GAMES
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:39:36 +0200
> From: syra...@gmail.com
> To: unity-design@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status of Unity
>
> Hello
Subject: Re: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status of Unity
Hi Adrian,
i was just talking about Apps lens witht another user.
i think the Apps lens (and maybe other lenses) could benefit of a "List view"
(smaller icons and text on the side as you may see on nau
ail.com
> To: unity-design@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status of Unity
>
> Hello people,
>
> Today I've been curious to see what is the current status of Unity
> compared to the version shipped last year with 11.04.
> So i
Hello people,
Today I've been curious to see what is the current status of Unity
compared to the version shipped last year with 11.04.
So i've installed the Ubuntu daily beta 12.04 in a virtual machine .
The main thing I would like to comment about is :navigation around
the available applic
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