On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 17:01, Omar B. <estela...@hotmail.com> wrote: > @Adrian > > I think the issues you and other people are experiencing could be sum up in > a few bugs that need reporting: > > 1- Filters: show them by default; proposal by Jo-Erlend : > https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08031.html > > 2- An easier default view when showing/scrolling all apps: Alan Bell: > https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08005.html > > 3- Zoom in / out: (already submitted bug); > https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08027.html > > 4- Apps available for download: These suggestions are useful for *searches* > or after clicking on specific filters/categories, but not when showing all > (as it becomes too random). It should always show most relevant first and a > link to "get more apps" could also be shown.
4 - Apps available for download : add an option to hide them completely . Or , at least use a smaller icons size for them . > 5- Recent apps: This is now in the home lens too, so is kind of duplicating. > It could be kept in the apps lens, but it could be *fully collapsible* > (instead of 1 row semi-expanded) to hide it fully if the user doesn't want > it. > This could become some sort of multi-bug report or is better to keep them > separate ? Probably it's better as separate issues . >> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:01:07 +0200 >> From: syra...@gmail.com >> To: pjssi...@gmail.com >> CC: unity-design@lists.launchpad.net >> Subject: Re: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status of >> Unity > >> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 13:17, pjssi...@gmail.com <pjssi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Dear Adrian, >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Adrian Maier <syra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Wow , that's a shocking suggestion : in order to see what's >> >> available I need to start an application. >> >> And this is supposed to be a progress compared to the old-style >> >> desktop environments that can display a quick list of categories >> >> without external software. >> > >> > The Dash is part of Unity just like the "Application menu" is part of >> > Gnome 2. >> >> > From the user point of view there isn't a new application to open. >> >> What do you mean by that ? >> >> >> >> I'd really like to understand the rationale against the idea of having >> >> some sort of applications browser that is usable like an old-style >> >> Applications menu : see a list of categories and be able to see >> >> the contents of a category WITHOUT clicking on anything. >> >> >> > >> > You still have an application browser, the only difference, as you >> > said, is that you need to click on the categories, instead of just >> > moving the mouse. >> >> It's more than that : it's also a problem with how the results are >> displayed. >> >> After clicking on a category it shows only one row of applications . >> In order to see all of them i have to click on "see more N results" . >> >> This gives me a constant feeling that "probably there are more things >> in there that i don't know about " . >> >> The "Apps available for Download" are eating much too space. And as >> a result the user is forced to "See more results" after every filter >> search . >> >> >> >> >> Please believe me that in gnome2 or xfce I use the apps menu a lot . >> >> It's easy enough so that i rarely feel the need to create shortcuts >> >> on a panel. Every application has it's own well defined place inside >> >> the menu. >> >> >> > >> > Here is the key for your discomfort. You are used to open your >> > applications using the menu and did not like the idea of typing the >> > name (or description) in the Dash. One of the main characteristics of >> > the Dash, IMHO, is that the best way to find an application using it >> > is by typing Super+"name or description of the application" instead of >> > using the mouse until pointing the right place. You should give it a >> > try, it is much faster than using a mouse and you'll get much faster >> > after one of two days. If you insist on using only the mouse, than the >> > Dash is certainly not a good choice for you. >> >> The source of discomfort is that navigating around applications >> categories is clunky . >> >> Let's imagine that the user clicks on a category (even though in a >> classic apps menu it's enough to hover) . >> >> After clicking i don't immediately see the entire list of application >> is that category ! >> The screen is cluttered with: recent results , "see more N results" >> , and "apps available to download" . >> This is like a click-click puzzle game with colourful icons , not >> efficient browsing . >> >> >> The first version of the Unity (the netbook remix 10.10 if i >> remember correctly) used to present the applications in a nicer way >> : there was a big list with all the applications divided into >> categories . It required some scrolling , but was better than what >> i see now in 12.04. At least I could quickly form an idea about what >> application are installed ! >> >> >> >> Hmm... perhaps this is what irritates me about searching/filtering >> >> in the Dash : when using these filters there is too much visual >> >> noise (huge icons , see more 666 results , apps available for >> >> download ) and a particular application will never appear in the >> >> same place on the screen . >> >> The visual clutter gives me a constant feeling that I never know >> >> what's available for use . >> > >> > But 99% of the time you know exactly what you want to open. You know >> > you want to open firefox, or thunderbird (or e-mail application), or >> > Writter, or emacs. Just time its name, it is fast and usually you'll >> > get a single option after 3 or for letters. >> >> When installing a new version of an operating system, it's >> interesting to look around and see what new applications are available >> by default . >> >> The Dash doesn't offer a comfortable solution for discovering >> (browsing) what's available . >> It's a fancy-looking search that requires 3D graphic acceleration , >> nothing more . >> >> >> Oh, and by the way : when filtering for "All" applications , >> the results don't display the categories anymore . >> >> >> > Where I think the Dash fails is for people that can't really type. I >> > have two children, one is 5 and the other one is 8. The one with 5 >> > learned to recognize the word "Game" from the old Gnome 2 menu and >> > then to click on it (or hover ) to see the list of games. Now with the >> > Dash he needs first to click on "Filter" (and this does not seem >> > natural all for him). It would be nice to be able to have the list of >> > categories always open as an option. >> > >> > best, >> > >> > Paulo >> > >> > >> >> >> >>> Now, neither piece may yet be ideal, but we should improve the design >> >>> of >> >>> those pieces for their specific purposes, not try to make everything >> >>> do >> >>> everything. >> >>> >> >>> Mark >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 22/02/12 15:29, Adrian Maier wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 17:19, nick rundy<nru...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The problem is having to "expand" options, like the "See more >> >>>>> results" >> >>>>> option. Too much stuff is being crammed into the dash. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For example, on the Applications Lens, users should be able to use >> >>>>> setting >> >>>>> to configure it so that it ONLY shows the applications installed on >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> machine. And by default shows ALL results. This way the user doesn't >> >>>>> have >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> click so many things to get an expanded view of Applications. Also >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> filters should not have to be expanded (which I believe is the case >> >>>>> in >> >>>>> 12.04) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> @Adrian: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> if the Applications Lens defaults to show all stuff by default, then >> >>>>> Unity >> >>>>> is just as convenient as old-GNOME. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 1. tap SUPER+A >> >>>>> 2. click GAMES >> >>>> >> >>>> That sounds like just a workaround for solving a problem that didn't >> >>>> exist before changing something that used to work well enough ... >> >>>> >> >>>> If there is a big list with all the applications , it implies >> >>>> scrolling in order to find the category and then finding the >> >>>> application. Too much visual noise for getting done a simple thing. >> >>>> >> >>>> I really mean that the right solution is to have a real classic menu >> >>>> / >> >>>> list view . >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:39:36 +0200 >> >>>>>> From: syra...@gmail.com >> >>>>>> To: unity-design@lists.launchpad.net >> >>>>>> Subject: [Unity-design] Some impressions about the current status >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> Unity >> >>>>>> Hello people, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Today I've been curious to see what is the current status of Unity >> >>>>>> compared to the version shipped last year with 11.04. >> >>>>>> So i've installed the Ubuntu daily beta 12.04 in a virtual machine >> >>>>>> . >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The main thing I would like to comment about is : navigation around >> >>>>>> the available applications . >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I have chosen a simple task : " let's see what games are installed >> >>>>>> " . Steps : >> >>>>>> - CLICK on "ubuntu button" >> >>>>>> - looking for the word "categories" on screen. Couldn't find it. >> >>>>>> Finally figured out that "Filter results" might help with my task >> >>>>>> - CLICK on Filter Results >> >>>>>> - CLICK on Games >> >>>>>> - it displays : Aislerot Solitaire , Freecell Solitaire , Mahjongg >> >>>>>> , >> >>>>>> Mines >> >>>>>> - hmm. Are there just 4 games installed ? apparently not - there >> >>>>>> is a link "See 1 more result" >> >>>>>> - CLICK on "see 1 more result". >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The next task "now let's see what development software is >> >>>>>> installed" . >> >>>>>> Steps : >> >>>>>> - the screen is still showing the previous screen with the games . >> >>>>>> - CLICK on Developer in "filter results" >> >>>>>> - nothing changes in the search results ! >> >>>>>> - CLICK on Games , to deselect >> >>>>>> - the Developer software finally >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Result : after 6 clicks I have been able to see what games and what >> >>>>>> development tools are installed by default in 12.04 beta . >> >>>>>> Too big icons , on a normal display there will always be necessary >> >>>>>> to click on "see more N results". >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Now let's see the steps needed to do the same tasks in Ubuntu 10.04 >> >>>>>> , >> >>>>>> gnome 2 : >> >>>>>> - CLICK on "ubuntu button" >> >>>>>> - move the mouse over "Games" . Read the list of applications. >> >>>>>> - move the mouse over "Programming" . Read the list of >> >>>>>> applications. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sorry for ranting , but killing productivity for visual cuteness is >> >>>>>> not progress ... >> >>>>>> It should be possible to have a classical menu with applications >> >>>>>> categories (maybe on right-click on the desktop). >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> My personal conclusion : the current Unity is just as disappointing >> >>>>>> as last year. >> >>>>>> Starting an application multiple times seems to be handled ok now >> >>>>>> (useful particularly for terminals). >> >>>>>> But there is still zero configurability (in settings -> appearance >> >>>>>> the user can only change the wallpaper and autohide the launcher . >> >>>>>> Quite hilarious in a sad way ) . >> >>>>>> No possibility to disable the global menu . >> >>>>>> My main showstopper : no classic applications menu. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>> Adrian >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design >> >>>>>> Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net >> >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design >> >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Adrian M >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design >> >> Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net >> >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design >> >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Paulo José da Silva e Silva >> > Professor Associado, Dep. de Ciência da Computação >> > (Associate Professor, Computer Science Dept.) >> > Universidade de São Paulo - Brazil >> > >> > e-mail: pjssi...@ime.usp.br Web: http://www.ime.usp.br/~pjssilva >> >> >> >> -- >> Adrian M >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design >> Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Adrian M -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
