On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 17:52, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <joerlend.schins...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 25. feb. 2012 16:38, Adrian Maier wrote: >> >> There is a possibility to browse by categories. I know that you know this. >> Perhaps you should explain why Windows' way of doing it is better? >> Because they've found a way to add an improvement (search applications >> by name) without removing the traditional folder-based navigation of >> "All Programs" . > > Yes, but you're still not explaining why that would be better.
I don't think it's possible to convince you about that. >> It isn't missing. It works a little bit different than what you're used >> to, >> but it does exist. >> Michael Hall was saying that the Dash is designed for searching , not >> for browsing the applications. This explains why it's not the >> feature that i was looking for. >> >> But you are the one who told me that in order to get a classic-looking >> apps menu it's possible to load the gnome panel ! >> >> Therefore : in Unity itself there is no component designed/intended >> to act as a category-based browser . > > We have that. Just used filters. The preferred way of launching stuff is not > to browse for them, but to quickly launch them using either the list of > frequent applications or to search. But browsing by category is certainly > possible. It's possible , but not comfortable . Using the filters requires too much clicking (see below) . >>>> The first step would be to see that the need for such a feature is at >>>> least acknowledged. >>> >>> Then you have to be more convincing. So far, you've claimed that it is >>> required, but I don't think you've explained why. To me, it sounds as if >>> you >>> want to change the behavior because you're not used to it. >> >> Please enlighten me : from your point of view the feature is already >> there , or you want me to demonstrate why should it be introduced ? > > You open the applications lens and then choose the category you want. I > don't really understand the problem, which is why I keep asking you for an > explanation. But you don't provide any. The problem is the high number of clicks needed to have the job done : - click on dash , - click on "search applications" , - click on "Filters" , - click on "Local Apps" , - click on "Games" , - click on "see more results" After doing all those clicks I am finally getting the complete list of Games. Clicking 6 times for seeing all the installed Games is way too much. If I want to move to another category it's necessary to click 2 times : - click on "Games" to unselect it - click on "Internet" Therefore I tend to agree with the people who mentioned that the Dash is designed for search , not for apps navigation in directory-style . Navigation inside the Dash could be improved a bit if the changes mentioned by Omar were implemented. By the way : i have also tried it "the Unity way " . - press Super , to open the dash - type "games" - it shows me only "Aisleriot Solitaire " - if i type "game" - it shows me 2 games : "Aisleriot Solitaire " and "Freecell Solitaire" Actually there are 2 more games installed : Mahjongg and Minesweeper. Not impressed at all about these search results. Hopefully this is just a bug in the 12.04 beta . >> The feature needs to exist before discussing whether it should be the >> default or not . >> >> But anyway I am not asking any changes of the defaults. >> > It isn't obvious what "the feature" means. This is the Unity Design list, > though. It's perfectly possible to make all kinds of different third-party > programs, but that doesn't really belong on this list, I think. "the feature" = navigate applications in a directory-style in an easy, comfortable way . By easy I mean : no unnecessary clicks, and possibility to go from one category to another with at most 1 click (preferably 0 clicks : mouse hover) . It can be a classic apps menu , or can be an improved Dash , or can be some new fancy-looking categories browser that allows easy navigation . This discussion belongs here, because in principle a designer might be curious to hear about specific aspects that makes some user(s) unhappy . >> Especially now after trying the >> https://launchpad.net/classicmenu-indicator . It provides me what I >> was missing , and it's not even necessary to use the gnome panel. >> Hopefully this package will be available in the real repositories >> someday (now it's in ppa). > > I personally think that's not the right place for it, since it doesn't > indicate anything. It indicates that I no longer intend to spend too much energy with discussing on this topic . >From my point of view the issue is solved : now I am aware about several possibilities that will allow me to happily use Unity without cursing every 5 minutes . -- Adrian M -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
