On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 20:58, Ian Santopietro <isan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Directory based navigation is a bad concept for modern computing. Not even > Windows is holding on to that in Windows 8. Users don't care about folders > or files. They only want to interact with data.
Well, in this case i have some bad old news for them : data is stored in files. And files are organized in directories. If some users prefer to put all of their files in a single directory (for example "on the desktop") this is nothing but a bad practice. > The number of clicks in this case is completely irrelevant. If the user is > in a hurry, they will know what they want and use search or a launcher > shortcut. If they want to browse through the applications installed, then > the number of clicks doesn't matter. They aren't in a hurry to get work > done, and individual clicks aren't hard or time consuming in this scenario. I don't agree, but whatever ... > On Feb 25, 2012 10:37 AM, "Adrian Maier" <syra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 17:52, Jo-Erlend Schinstad >> <joerlend.schins...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On 25. feb. 2012 16:38, Adrian Maier wrote: >> >> >> >> There is a possibility to browse by categories. I know that you know >> >> this. >> >> Perhaps you should explain why Windows' way of doing it is better? >> >> Because they've found a way to add an improvement (search applications >> >> by name) without removing the traditional folder-based navigation of >> >> "All Programs" . >> > >> > Yes, but you're still not explaining why that would be better. >> >> I don't think it's possible to convince you about that. >> >> >> It isn't missing. It works a little bit different than what you're used >> >> to, >> >> but it does exist. >> >> Michael Hall was saying that the Dash is designed for searching , not >> >> for browsing the applications. This explains why it's not the >> >> feature that i was looking for. >> >> >> >> But you are the one who told me that in order to get a classic-looking >> >> apps menu it's possible to load the gnome panel ! >> >> >> >> Therefore : in Unity itself there is no component designed/intended >> >> to act as a category-based browser . >> > >> > We have that. Just used filters. The preferred way of launching stuff is >> > not >> > to browse for them, but to quickly launch them using either the list of >> > frequent applications or to search. But browsing by category is >> > certainly >> > possible. >> >> It's possible , but not comfortable . Using the filters requires too >> much clicking (see below) . >> >> >> >>>> The first step would be to see that the need for such a feature is at >> >>>> least acknowledged. >> >>> >> >>> Then you have to be more convincing. So far, you've claimed that it is >> >>> required, but I don't think you've explained why. To me, it sounds as >> >>> if >> >>> you >> >>> want to change the behavior because you're not used to it. >> >> >> >> Please enlighten me : from your point of view the feature is already >> >> there , or you want me to demonstrate why should it be introduced ? >> > >> > You open the applications lens and then choose the category you want. I >> > don't really understand the problem, which is why I keep asking you for >> > an >> > explanation. But you don't provide any. >> >> >> The problem is the high number of clicks needed to have the job done : >> - click on dash , >> - click on "search applications" , >> - click on "Filters" , >> - click on "Local Apps" , >> - click on "Games" , >> - click on "see more results" >> After doing all those clicks I am finally getting the complete list of >> Games. Clicking 6 times for seeing all the installed Games is way too >> much. >> >> If I want to move to another category it's necessary to click 2 times : >> - click on "Games" to unselect it >> - click on "Internet" >> >> Therefore I tend to agree with the people who mentioned that the Dash >> is designed for search , not for apps navigation in directory-style . >> Navigation inside the Dash could be improved a bit if the changes >> mentioned by Omar were implemented. >> >> >> >> By the way : i have also tried it "the Unity way " . >> - press Super , to open the dash >> - type "games" >> - it shows me only "Aisleriot Solitaire " >> >> - if i type "game" >> - it shows me 2 games : "Aisleriot Solitaire " and "Freecell Solitaire" >> >> Actually there are 2 more games installed : Mahjongg and Minesweeper. >> Not impressed at all about these search results. Hopefully this is >> just a bug in the 12.04 beta . >> >> >> >> The feature needs to exist before discussing whether it should be the >> >> default or not . >> >> >> >> But anyway I am not asking any changes of the defaults. >> >> >> > It isn't obvious what "the feature" means. This is the Unity Design >> > list, >> > though. It's perfectly possible to make all kinds of different >> > third-party >> > programs, but that doesn't really belong on this list, I think. >> >> "the feature" = navigate applications in a directory-style in an >> easy, comfortable way . >> >> By easy I mean : no unnecessary clicks, and possibility to go from >> one category to another with at most 1 click (preferably 0 clicks : >> mouse hover) . >> >> It can be a classic apps menu , or can be an improved Dash , or >> can be some new fancy-looking categories browser that allows easy >> navigation . >> >> >> This discussion belongs here, because in principle a designer might >> be curious to hear about specific aspects that makes some user(s) >> unhappy . >> >> >> >> Especially now after trying the >> >> https://launchpad.net/classicmenu-indicator . It provides me what I >> >> was missing , and it's not even necessary to use the gnome panel. >> >> Hopefully this package will be available in the real repositories >> >> someday (now it's in ppa). >> > >> > I personally think that's not the right place for it, since it doesn't >> > indicate anything. >> >> It indicates that I no longer intend to spend too much energy with >> discussing on this topic . >> >> >From my point of view the issue is solved : now I am aware about >> several possibilities that will allow me to happily use Unity without >> cursing every 5 minutes . >> >> >> >> -- >> Adrian M >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design >> Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Adrian M -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
