On 14/10/10 06:27, Traveller wrote:
My experience installing 10.04 does not support this claim, Alan. In my
case, on a system with on-board nVidia graphics, X not only failed to
start, the monitor went to sleep after claiming "No input". Fortunately
for me, I still had a working WinXP available,
On 13/10/2010 7:14, Melv Bailey wrote:
> No one is addressing my point of the live CD.
>
> Al
> I dont doubt that once Ubuntu is working it may be less problem to
> maintain, and less problem to use, but if you have to edit files at the
> commandline to get there (read the answers to all the forum
On 13/10/2010 7:56, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 13 October 2010 13:57, Melv Bailey wrote:
>> Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else
>> has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know
>> that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has any
On 13/10/10 23:49, azmodie wrote:
> in the meantime i think new and general users should run the more stable
> Long Term Support release (LTS). as it is generally the most stable release
> compared to the 6 monthly release. tends to upgrade to next LTS more
> reliably than the 6 monthly to 6 mon
oo-errr... a few hours working at Morrisons and I come home to this?
+1 for Alan Pope's thread that appears to have resulted in such
abuse... he makes a very valid point that when you have community
support it is on a voluntary basis and people should not be expected
to give up their whole lives t
On 13 October 2010 22:25, Will Bickerstaff wrote:
>
> Isn't this what the OP was getting at. Why isn't this included as on
> option, so when the desktop fails to load, which in my experience, is
> far more common than is being indicated in this discussion, the user
> can reboot and try the 'safe g
On 13/10/10 18:38, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> I can solve the help vampires
> sudo apt-get install garlic
Please do be careful when upgrading:
http://xkcd.com/797/
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On 13/10/10 23:05, John Stevenson wrote:
> Hello all,
> Had a great day at the University College London bringing Ubuntu to a
> large number of students, filled a room of 50 seats at least three times
> over during the 7 hour drop-in session - felt like a lot more at times.
> Lots of enthusiasm wit
On 13/10/10 22:25, Will Bickerstaff wrote:
> Anyone know the reason behind dropping it. It seemed to disappear in Hardy
Nope, I didn't realise it had gone until I checked today.
>
> Isn't this what the OP was getting at. Why isn't this included as on
> option, so when the desktop fails to load,
Hello all,
Had a great day at the University College London bringing Ubuntu to a large
number of students, filled a room of 50 seats at least three times over
during the 7 hour drop-in session - felt like a lot more at times. Lots of
enthusiasm with the students and recent graduates, lots of new i
I have but one thing to say about this argument.
DOES ANYBODY ACTUALLY CARE???
Jacob Mansfield
Programmer
On 13 October 2010 22:25, Will Bickerstaff wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Rob Beard wrote:
> > On 13/10/10 16:30, Roy Jamison wrote:
> >> Do all of these machines have nVidia gr
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Rob Beard wrote:
> On 13/10/10 16:30, Roy Jamison wrote:
>> Do all of these machines have nVidia graphics cards?
>> Just a thought, but there's a known issue with the new Xorg 1.9 ABI that
>> breaks the older nVidia drivers, and I'm guessing the 6800 would be one
>
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 13:57 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote:
> Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else
> has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know
> that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has anyone
> else ever seen Ubuntu boo
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:44 +0100, John Matthews wrote:
> You any idea how frustrating it is, to have a problem, and still have
> no
> solution, but lots of bad atmosphere.
>
>
it is a little frustrating for all concerned that a problem exists and
insufficient information has been provided in or
On 13/10/10 16:30, Roy Jamison wrote:
> Do all of these machines have nVidia graphics cards?
> Just a thought, but there's a known issue with the new Xorg 1.9 ABI that
> breaks the older nVidia drivers, and I'm guessing the 6800 would be one
> of them, hence the reason that Ubuntu *thinks* it is ru
I can solve the help vampires
sudo apt-get install garlic
Jacob Mansfield
Programmer
On 13 October 2010 17:45, Roy Jamison wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:38 +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:08 +0100, John Matthews wrote:
> > > To be honest with you, its p
On 13/10/10 16:19, John Matthews wrote:
> Yeh, but there you go, for you, its never a problem, so it shouldnt be a
> problem for anybody else. And as for getting help from Ubuntu, that isnt
> easy either, if it was, I still wouldnt have problems with my network
> shares and videos problems. I woul
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:14 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote:
> Clearly the regulars on here (I have been following this list for a
> while) will defend Ubuntu to the hilt, but if you want its use to expand
> someone need to accept there is a problem.
First I wish I could help - but haven't seen anythi
John, you're still missing my point. And I never said that because I am not
experiencing the issues then it must be wrong.
I totally understand what its like to have a problem and to feel like its not
being addressed. I'm simply saying that your view seems to be that the entire
community isn't
On 13 October 2010 10:28, Melv Bailey wrote:
> Hi
>
> My first post and its only as a result of frustration with Ubuntu.
>
> I would like to post here a post I posted in the Ubuntu forums which got
> no repsonse other than "load the NVidia driver" (not the point of the
> original post, and how sin
I have opened a can of worms here but my original post on the Ubuntu
forum was to find out why there didn't appear to be a way to force VGA
mode on the live CD if it got its video detection/drivers screwed up.
Clearly my monitors showing out of range means Ubuntu is driving the
video to resolu
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:38 +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:08 +0100, John Matthews wrote:
> > To be honest with you, its pissed me off you bought up that thing about
> > contacting people in the middle of the night. I have not done that on
> > here, or the ubun
On 13/10/10 17:35, Paul Jones wrote:
> I've been a user of support forums for years and have never had the issues
> you or Mel describe, I've asked questions on all manner of forums ranging
> from PC's to dishwashers to cats and never found a lack of people willing to
> help and point me in the
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:08 +0100, John Matthews wrote:
> To be honest with you, its pissed me off you bought up that thing about
> contacting people in the middle of the night. I have not done that on
> here, or the ubuntu group, so I know there is only one reason for you to
> have bought that
John, yourself and Mel are making some very sweeping generalisations about the
support available to Ubuntu users and the attitudes of the people providing the
help.
Peoples experiences of using Ubuntu I am sure will mirror users of Windows as
well. Noones saying they can't be bothered to help
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:08 +0100, "John Matthews"
wrote:
> Options I have tried and got nowhere again with.
>
How about trying them again now? A good argument attracts a lot of
people and that might give us enough eyeballs to make your bugs shallow
and get fixes for them.
Robert
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On 13 October 2010 17:08, John Matthews wrote:
> Options I have tried and got nowhere again with.
>
I don't know what to suggest then. I know a lot of people get help
with their systems.
> To be honest with you, its pissed me off you bought up that thing about
> contacting people in the middle o
Forget the middle of the night thing, whoever said it. Our night-time is
America's daytime. IRC channels are pretty busy during our night :)
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:08 +0100, John Matthews wrote:
> On 13/10/10 16:54, Alan Pope wrote:
> > On 13 October 2010 16:51, John Matthews wrote:
> >> That d
I didn't mean it to be offensive at all, but moaning about the way
things are doesn't change anything, that's why we have a coalition
government; no-one voted, they sat at home complaining.
Trust me though, I've used Ubuntu since 6.06 and my God I've been peed
off at times with problems and people
If you read what I wrote again, the term "equal support" was aimed at the self
help methods including documentation and forums, which have always been
reasonably good for MS. Microsoft themselves have always been shocking, I did
say that in my last message... ;o)
Sent from my BlackBerry® wirele
On 13/10/10 17:05, Roy Jamison wrote:
> Windows fanboys flame me, linux fanboys pat me on the back;) lol
>
>
> I rest my case.
Sorry, this is verging on becoming abusive..
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On 13/10/10 16:54, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 13 October 2010 16:51, John Matthews wrote:
>> That doesnt surprise me really, basically what your saying is, go
>> somewhere else, we cant be bothered. That brings us right back to what
>> the OP said at the beginning. There we are.
>>
> No, I was giving y
Equal support!??! You have GOT to be kidding me right?
When was the last time Microsoft had a bugtracker and actually had its
employees respond to a problem, let alone even acknowledge you?
Does MS have IRC channels? Direct support? No they bloody well don't!
The help is there for Ubuntu if you n
On 13 October 2010 16:51, John Matthews wrote:
> That doesnt surprise me really, basically what your saying is, go
> somewhere else, we cant be bothered. That brings us right back to what
> the OP said at the beginning. There we are.
>
No, I was giving you _options_.
Al.
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On 13/10/10 16:34, Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> You've clearly had problems with Ubuntu, and your problems haven't yet
> been resolved. I can understand the frustration you're feeling.
>
> On 13 October 2010 16:19, John Matthews wrote:
>> Yeh, but there you go, for you, its never a problem, so
I cant comment on your experiences with getting support John, I've
always had positive experiences from getting support from forums for
both MS stuff and Linux, but I have never ever once, received a
working solution, or anything resembling proper help from Microsoft
themselves. There responses ar
Hi John,
You've clearly had problems with Ubuntu, and your problems haven't yet
been resolved. I can understand the frustration you're feeling.
On 13 October 2010 16:19, John Matthews wrote:
> Yeh, but there you go, for you, its never a problem, so it shouldnt be a
> problem for anybody else.
I
On 13/10/10 16:35, Paul Jones wrote:
>
> If you ask me (and I know noone did) there will ALWAYS be as many
> people claiming "it worked perfectly without any configuration at all"
> as there are people who claim "it was a nightmare, I couldnt get it to
> work and I couldnt get any help either" r
If you ask me (and I know noone did) there will ALWAYS be as many
people claiming "it worked perfectly without any configuration at all"
as there are people who claim "it was a nightmare, I couldnt get it to
work and I couldnt get any help either" regardless of whether its
Linux/Windows/ OSX etc.
Do all of these machines have nVidia graphics cards?
Just a thought, but there's a known issue with the new Xorg 1.9 ABI that
breaks the older nVidia drivers, and I'm guessing the 6800 would be one
of them, hence the reason that Ubuntu *thinks* it is running ok. That
might also explain the fact tha
Well said MR Pope.
There is a learning curve from windows 98 and windows 7~ just as there is
changing from windows to mac and also windows / mac to linux. I think
Ubuntu is much simpler to use because the majority of things will work out
of the box but like Alan Pope said to expect something free
On 13/10/10 16:09, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 13 October 2010 14:54, John Matthews wrote:
>> On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote:
>>> It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or
>>> brain surgery. It's all about perspective. Many people who say 'ubuntu
>>> is easy' are almost alwa
On 13 October 2010 14:54, John Matthews wrote:
> On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote:
>> It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or
>> brain surgery. It's all about perspective. Many people who say 'ubuntu
>> is easy' are almost always people who have had the pain of
>> admi
I thought I'd throw my tuppence worth in.
Before I discovered Ubuntu, I had a few attempts at installing Linux.
One was Mandrake (version 7, I think), and I had a couple of attempts
at installing Debian and Redhat, all to no avail. I can't remember how
I found out about Ubuntu (Dapper), but I foun
On 13 October 2010 13:57, Melv Bailey wrote:
> Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else
> has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know
> that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has anyone
> else ever seen Ubuntu boot in this f
On 13 October 2010 13:46, Melv Bailey wrote:
> Your missing the point, the live CD is the way to anyone other than the
> computer experts, and if it does not work it ends up in the bin,
> together with the concept of Linux.
>
Which is why you're getting encouraged to file bugs.
> Why can it not
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:27 +0100, Paul Jones wrote:
> Mel, I don’t know the answer to that, I assume yes its given out to
> the masses at these events but lets be realistic, who goes to a Linux
> event? Average everyday users? I kind of doubt it and I've never seen
> these CD's being given out pub
Hi Melv,
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:14 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote:
> No one is addressing my point of the live CD.
I'm wondering if this is because no-one else on this list (and note that
I am referring to the list, not the world in general! ;) ) has
experienced this issue.
I accept that having a Li
Mel, I don’t know the answer to that, I assume yes its given out
to the masses at these events but lets be realistic, who goes to a
Linux event? Average everyday users? I kind of doubt it and I've never
seen these CD's being given out publicly in random places.
But o
No one is addressing my point of the live CD.
Al
I dont doubt that once Ubuntu is working it may be less problem to
maintain, and less problem to use, but if you have to edit files at the
commandline to get there (read the answers to all the forum posts, this
is required for a lot of solutions
On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 13 October 2010 12:08, John Matthews wrote:
>> Those who know, always seem to be those that stand there and say Ubuntu is
>> easy, easier than windows.
> It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or
> brain surgery. It's all about pers
I have.
With previous Live CD's I've had a menu instead of it just booting
straight in which has allowed me to select the resolution and toggle
VGA mode with just an F key pressed. Granted I had to initiate this
myself but it did work.
10.04 and 10.10 seem to skip this "boot screen" in my experien
> Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else
> has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know
> that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has anyone
> else ever seen Ubuntu boot in this failsafe mode?
>
> Yes. I've had issues in the
>
>
>
> >I have had very few calls from my mum asking for help with her Ubuntu
> >system. She uses the same kinds of apps most people do.
>
> I can vouch for that. My Farther-in-law recently bought a new pc, without
asking me, because he 'simply must have windows'. Last time I saw him he was
compla
Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else
has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know
that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has anyone
else ever seen Ubuntu boot in this failsafe mode? What is meant to
trigger this mode?
Your missing the point, the live CD is the way to anyone other than the
computer experts, and if it does not work it ends up in the bin,
together with the concept of Linux.
Why can it not start in a basic video mode, or at least have an option
to, so the user can have a second attempt at bootin
On 13 October 2010 12:08, John Matthews wrote:
> Those who know, always seem to be those that stand there and say Ubuntu is
> easy, easier than windows.
It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or
brain surgery. It's all about perspective. Many people who say 'ubuntu
is eas
Dunno about your 10 year old son, but my 9 year old daughter installed Ubuntu
on the playroom computer the other day. It just worked.
Ubuntu does have failsafe X which should cut in with a working low graphics
mode, if that does not happen then it is a bug and you would be improving
ubuntu by fi
On 13/10/10 10:48, Alan Pope wrote:
> The fact is though that right now there are few manufacturers making
> machines with Ubuntu pre-installed, so people do have to do the
> install. However I believe you should be comparing "Oranges and
> Oranges". If my mum bought a blank computer and wanted win
I think your best bet to get support on these machines is to:
1. Search http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu for the graphics cards you
have in each machine, there may be a known problem with them, or they
may have a workaround. It may even be a really simple fix :)
2. If there is nothing relevant to
Hi Mel,
Like yourself i'm new to the world of Linux having been in Microsoft
Support since I left school. Unlike you I've never had the problem you
describe but I have had instances on my old PC (NVidia 6600GT PCI-E
card) with the Live CD's not booting properly or hanging on the boot
up logo.
I fou
On 13/10/10 11:49, chris cundy wrote:
I think the point of any Linux desktop distro is not that everything
will work perfectly with every combination of hardware available but
to work with most hardware. The issue with computer users is not that
they can't solve problems or get a particular set
Thanks for replys
I want to use Linux. I might use Windows, I might work with Windows, I
have hated Windows since version 3 (I was there, it was good for its
time), I have to admit I think they have finally got close with 7. I
dont like Microsoft as a company and its actions, but I have to fe
I think the point of any Linux desktop distro is not that everything will work
perfectly with every combination of hardware available but to work with most
hardware. The issue with computer users is not that they can't solve problems
or
get a particular setup working how they would like, its th
This is precisely why we have Launchpad, both the bug tracker and the
answers tracker.
The Ubuntu documentation (both in the OS and online) has workarounds,
known issues, and failing that can point you to an IRC channel #ubuntu -
people there are usually very helpful.
I totally understand though,
Hi Melv,
On 13 October 2010 10:28, Melv Bailey wrote:
> Sorry if this seems a bit of a rant but there is now another new version
> Of Ubuntu that STILL does not address the fundamentals of running on a
> range of hardware that is fine for Windows.
>
If we're talking about the 'masses' like my mu
What bug numbers have you filed for these issues?
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On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:28 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote:
> This has caused me a problem since 8.04 (7.10 is the last version I have
> run sort of successfully without having to jump through VGA driver hoops
> but I did have to jump through wireless drivers hoops and didnt solve them).
I am s
Hi
My first post and its only as a result of frustration with Ubuntu.
I would like to post here a post I posted in the Ubuntu forums which got
no repsonse other than "load the NVidia driver" (not the point of the
original post, and how since I had a totally black screen with a mouse
pointer).
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