I can solve the help vampires sudo apt-get install garlic Jacob Mansfield Programmer
On 13 October 2010 17:45, Roy Jamison <xtee...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:38 +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:08 +0100, John Matthews wrote: > > > To be honest with you, its pissed me off you bought up that thing about > > > contacting people in the middle of the night. I have not done that on > > > here, or the ubuntu group, so I know there is only one reason for you > to > > > have bought that up. That is out of order, its nothing to do with you. > > > It explains a hell of a lot though. Out of order. > > > > OK, I'm not a moderator on this list, however I am a member of the > > community and I'm sure I'm not the only one that is worried about where > > this email thread is going. > > > > Before someone invokes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law and > > we end up as a community of these: > > http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ I'd like to respectfully suggest > > to all involved that the list below is a fair summary of the current > > situation and that we all log what ever bug reports are required, work > > to fix them where we are able and move on before someone says something > > that they really regret. > > Definitely a +1 here! We can go on about Windows vs linux for years and > never hear the end of it. > > > > > 1) New users of Ubuntu are sometimes intimidated/concerned/hacked off by > > the fact that they have to install the operating system themselves and > > it does not come preconfigured in the same way that Windows does. > > > > 2) Existing users of Ubuntu can (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone > > else!) sometimes forget that it isn't straight forward to install Ubuntu > > onto a PC if you've not done it before. > > > > 3) Regardless of which Operating System you eventually settle for, there > > are issues involved when installing on to certain hardware and sometimes > > the correct drivers for the operating system you have chosen don't work > > in the way that you expect (personally, I believe that this applies > > equally to Windows, Mac and Linux). > > > > 4) Whilst "File a bug report" is often a (valid) first response to > > someone posting to the list about a hardware issue, it is (in my view) > > useless unless it is accompanied by - at the very least! - a link to a > > step by step guide on _how_ to file a bug report. > > > > 5) All to often in the Linux community as a whole (and even though I > > hold this as true, I know I'm going to upset a lot of people with this > > one!) there is an attitude (or at least a perceived attitude) of "What > > do you mean you don't know how to do that?!!! Are you thick or > > something?!!! I can do it, you should be able to as well!" which does > > not help us when we try to encourage people who are less familiar with > > Linux to adopt it and only fuels the Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) > > spread by commercial businesses with a vested interest in watching Open > > Source fail. > > > > I totally agree. Come on guys for God's sake, at the end of the day, > we're all in this together, and are one community, we are meant to > support each other, not be at loggerheads! > > > I have left more mailing lists than I care to mention as a result of > > watching the communities fall apart - I don't want to see Ubuntu-UK fall > > apart... :( > > > > My thoughts on (and hopefully the end of!) this matter. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Matt > > > > -- > > Matthew Macdonald-Wallace > > matt...@truthisfreedom.org.uk > > http://www.threedrunkensysadsonthe.net/ > > > > > > If anyone needs help with any problem, and doesn't get any joy from > other channels, i.e. forums, IRC, Answers tracker on Launchpad, find me > on IRC and I will try and help, but please for God's sake try the other > 3 first I'm not *that* clever :D > > Who said the Ubuntu community isn't helpful? ;) > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >
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