[Tagging] building=bank

2019-05-26 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi! I see nearly 1500 ways in OSM with the tag building=bank. Most of them are also tagged amenity=bank or have a node with amenity=bank inside. The wiki doesn't mention building=bank, and the validator in JOSM assumes a typo and complains "Unknown property value - Value 'bank' for key 'building'

Re: [Tagging] building=bank

2019-05-26 Thread Gerd Petermann
dieterdreist wrote > I agree JOSM should not issue a warning for it, did you try to open an > issue at josm.openstreetmap.de and see what they say? > > The JOSM validator warnings about unknown tags are helpful to spot typos, > but an unknown tag (unknown to the validator) otherwise does not imply

[Tagging] highway=crossing used on ways

2018-10-12 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, It seems that many new mappers use this tag for pedestrian crossings on ways instead of highway=footway + footway=crossing. In the past I tried to improve the wiki to make clear that the tag highway=crossing should not be used on ways but obviously that did not work. In November 2015

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing used on ways

2018-10-14 Thread Gerd Petermann
Mateusz Konieczny-3 wrote > How many highway=crossing on ways were added since  November 2015? > How many highway=crossing on nodes were added since  November 2015? > Without that it is hard to say anything. I agree that those are the important questions. I have some old taginfo data from 2015. On

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing used on ways

2018-10-15 Thread Gerd Petermann
I think I found one reason for the mistagged ways. The wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dtraffic_island proposes to use highway=crossing + crossing=island to map a traffic island. It says that this should be used on nodes but a mapper looking for a replacement of a landuse

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing used on ways

2018-10-16 Thread Gerd Petermann
Warin wrote > I note there is no wiki guidance on tagging a traffic island in detail, > such as this island that > spatially separates entry and exit. This is not uncommon where I am. Yes, I think this is really a problem. A lot of mappers seem to want to map the area of the island, others want t

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing used on ways

2018-10-16 Thread Gerd Petermann
dieterdreist wrote > you could map the kerbs and create a multipolygon pedestrian area or grass > areas etc, for the island with the kerbs as outers. There is also > barrier=guard_rail and barrier=fence for potential barriers. The road will > be split into a dual carriageway and both are connected

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-11-04 Thread Gerd Petermann
If we follow Daves idea one might create a relation combining a few things that have the same tag, e.g. all building=residential in a town, name it something like "residential buildings" and finally remove the tags from those buildings. I hope nobody thinks this would be a good idea. Reg. the TAP

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-11-06 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, after reading the last comments in this thread I tried again to convince Dave that the rather special rules for multipolygon relations cannot be used for all types of relations, esp. not those with route=pipeline and that he should not remove tags like man_made=pipeline from ways of such a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-11-07 Thread Gerd Petermann
Dave, reg. a rule for mkgmap: A simple approach would be to add a rule in the relation style so that the tag man_made=pipeline is added to all way members of the relation which don't already have a man_made tag: #pipelines type=route & route=pipeline { apply way { add man_made=pipeline

[Tagging] Members of route=pipeline relations

2018-11-07 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, (Sorry if this was discussed before) I open this thread because I recently learned that we have route=pipeline relations. The wiki (1) seems to say that one can expect that the members of such a relation are pipelines. On the other hand, I find relations with members that are fences aroun

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-11-09 Thread Gerd Petermann
I think it gets easier when you think of a relation as a data structure that allows to combine links to other objects with tags. That's what it is, nothing more. Only the tags give a hint about the meaning of this combination, and one always has to bear in mind that different mappers might see diff

[Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

2015-10-15 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, forgive me if this was discussed before: There seems to be a need to map highways which do not exist. I understand the idea that we map highway=proposed / highway=planned as this might be used to visualize a plan, I can also understand that we have tags like highway=dismantled and highway=

[Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

2015-10-15 Thread Gerd Petermann
Oops, forgot to set the list on cc Von: Gerd Petermann Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 07:21 An: Hans De Kryger Betreff: AW: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist? Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5987185 which is

Re: [Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

2015-10-15 Thread Gerd Petermann
..<http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Gerd Petermann mailto:gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Oops, forgot to set the list on cc ____ Von: Gerd Petermann Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 07:21 An

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

2015-10-16 Thread Gerd Petermann
ated tools Cc: Gerd Petermann Betreff: Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist? Let me know if you need any help. Regards, Hans http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13 [http://www.openstreetmap.org/assets/osm_logo-0e19527a1cc9fdf566c217d6e1863d88cac7bb74391

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

2015-10-23 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi Andy, okay, I'd be very happy to use only a note for them. My understanding of the JOSM warning was that there is some rule that a note is not enough and that I just didn't read that rule until now. Gerd Von: Andy Townsend Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Okt

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-25 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi, thanks for the feedback. I think tunnel=culvert is special, my understanding is that it implies that the water goes through some kind of pipe. So tunnel=culvert on a node simply implies that the waterway is below the road, no layer tag is needed. Gerd

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-25 Thread Gerd Petermann
pipe have to be below the road? There could be another tunnel below the culvert as well. In any case the pipe and the road are (in real life, and by design) not connected and if they share a node it will doubtless lead to all kinds of QA complaints. --colin On 2015-10-25 10:38, Gerd Petermann

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-25 Thread Gerd Petermann
I don't think that this is a strong point. Thinking about my own edits I'd say that the length could be +/- 4m because typically I just try to place the nodes somewhere neer the road, if I find an existing node that looks good enough I use that. On the other hand, I think we make assumptions abou

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-25 Thread Gerd Petermann
I do not fully agree here. In Germany, I often see a traffic sign "Vorsicht Düker" (~ "Attention! Culvert") next to these culverts. I am not sure why I should pay attention, but it seems that some people think that the traffic on the road should notify it. Maybe because it also often means tha

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-25 Thread Gerd Petermann
__ Von: Florian Lohoff Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2015 14:39 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Betreff: Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:20:10AM +0000, Gerd Petermann wrote: > I don't think that this is a strong point. > Thinking about my own e

[Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-27 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, we have 153 ways tagged highway=centre_line The wiki describes that as the white stripes in the middle of a road. I looked at some ways tagged like that and they all seem to be barriers between large roads (motorway,trunk), e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118699380 This way

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-27 Thread Gerd Petermann
ys). A few mappers try to map the areas on roads which are enclosed by a white line and crossing while lines ("schraffierte Fläche") . I haven't found a frequently used tag for that, one uses highway=central_reservation which makes not much sense to me. Gerd ___

[Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-10-27 Thread Gerd Petermann
Please see http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/31846954 [http://www.openstreetmap.org/assets/osm_logo-ba6c06f3c4bf54a07351d27aa28a2b40e483cf1bbe533cd544c1d19e3db21757.svg] OpenStreetMap Weitere Informationen...

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-27 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi Volker, I did not yet notice that, I've done it now. Gerd Von: Volker Schmidt Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2015 15:23 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Betreff: Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used? Hi Gerd, have you alrea

[Tagging] WG: when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Gerd Petermann
oops, forgot to cc the list... Von: Gerd Petermann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2015 07:42 An: André Pirard Betreff: AW: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used? I think you shoulld also look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:road_marking

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Gerd Petermann
I think this is why I don't like to cycle along roads with closed white lines. Many car drivers seem to think that it is the larger sinn to cross the white line than to overtake with too small safety distance to the cyclist ;-) Gerd Von: Colin Smale Gesendet

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Gerd Petermann
I found another often used tag that seem to be (also) used for road markings : barrier=line (> 8000) Gerd Von: Tom Pfeifer Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2015 12:18 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Betreff: Re: [Tagging] when should highw

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-10-29 Thread Gerd Petermann
have to invent a tag. I only know them to be called a "programmable changeable message sign", so I'd probably tag it traffic_sign=pcms On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:32 AM, Gerd Petermann mailto:gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Please see http://www.openstr

[Tagging] How to tag a weigh station / bridge ?

2015-10-29 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, the wiki documents amenity=weighbridge (taginfo reports 386 uses) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aamenity%3Dweighbridge [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/thumb/b/b8/Lorry_on_weighbridge%2C_Douglas%2C_Isle_of_Man_-_geograph.org.uk_-_352285.jpg/200px-Lorry_on_weighbridge

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a weigh station / bridge ?

2015-10-29 Thread Gerd Petermann
. Gerd Von: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2015 12:17 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] How to tag a weigh station / bridge ? On 29/10/2015 9:39 PM, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi all, the wiki documents amenity=weighbridge (taginfo re

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a weigh station / bridge ?

2015-10-29 Thread Gerd Petermann
t; Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2015 12:17 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] How to tag a weigh station / bridge ? On 29/10/2015 9:39 PM, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi all, the wiki documents amenity=weighbridge (taginfo reports 386 uses) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ta

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a weigh station / bridge ?

2015-10-29 Thread Gerd Petermann
them stay within the law, for example. The man_made tag is a complete last resort - just about everything we map is man-made. Lets try and get a bit closer to tagging based on function and role. --colin On 2015-10-29 15:14, Gerd Petermann wrote: I agree that I was very surprised to see th

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

2015-10-30 Thread Gerd Petermann
reg. decisions (off topic): I losely follow this list since years without contributing. My understanding of it (the tagging list) so far : It helps to collect different views, that's great, and that's why we need it. It cannot help much finding decisions, as it only represents a few (hopeful

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

2015-10-31 Thread Gerd Petermann
yes, I also saw them in Germany Von: Philip Barnes Gesendet: Samstag, 31. Oktober 2015 11:41 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs On Sat, 2015-10-31 at 01:31 +0200, Lauri Kytömaa wrote: > > Even

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-10-31 Thread Gerd Petermann
ble message sign", so I'd probably tag it traffic_sign=pcms On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:32 AM, Gerd Petermann mailto:gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Please see http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/31846954 [http://www.openstreetmap.org/assets/osm_logo-ba6c06f3c4bf54a07

[Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-10-31 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, It seems that many mappers associate words like "island" or "traffic island" with an area on a road that is enclosed by a white line and maybe hatched lines ("schraffiert") Also often used: traffic_calming=* Not so often: "keep clear" I don't even remember how to call them in German

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-10-31 Thread Gerd Petermann
Example for keep clear: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13820411 The node also is in such a marked area, no direct relation to "island" or "traffic island" reg. crossing=island: ok, your example shows a simple case where the island is in the middle. What if there are multiple islands?

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

2015-10-31 Thread Gerd Petermann
regarding the human readable values: Some mappers add diverse tags like this to the node: bicycle=official foot=official highway=path traffic_sign=DE:240 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3452379412 [http://www.openstreetmap.org/assets/osm_logo_256-835a859acf0d378e1d14e88b15e7b4b95211ccd41a2c061

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-01 Thread Gerd Petermann
I fear I've mixed two very different probems, so I'll open another thread for my problems with the tagging of junctions/crossings. Gerd Von: Volker Schmidt Gesendet: Samstag, 31. Oktober 2015 19:36 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Betreff: Re: [T

[Tagging] Often seen tagging problems regarding junctions

2015-11-01 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, while trying to clean up wrong highway=* tags in the OSM database I noticed a few error patterns. Not sure if I can call it an error when other people are using tags in a completely different way, but I think I should report them: 1) the tag highway=crossing is/was used for ways, oft

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-11-01 Thread Gerd Petermann
I also liked the traffic_sign=variable, but now I think we have to separate those traffic_signs from pure informational displays showing e.g. temperature, wind, or other weather conditions, as well as traffic status (traffic jam, tunnel closed,free parking places and so on) from those which wil

Re: [Tagging] Often seen tagging problems regarding junctions

2015-11-01 Thread Gerd Petermann
okay, what do you use when there are traffic lights at a zebra crossing? Or let's say what would you recommend? My (current) understanding is that the zebra crossing is a "fall back" in case that the traffic lights are not working, so I'd say they are not important. The problem: Aerial images s

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-01 Thread Gerd Petermann
okay, thanks for all the input. I think nobody said that we should use the word island or traffic island for an area that is just marked with paint. Now what do we call this area? I think it is not a highway=* or a surface=* or a landuse=* I think it is a traffic_calming=* , but I have no idea a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-01 Thread Gerd Petermann
off topic: Yes, I also learned that in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Zebra crossing seem to have no meaning, red lights at pedestrian crossings are ignored as long as it possible to cross before or after the pedestrian. Sounds dangerous, but seemed to work fine for everybody ;-) I think there is a gen

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-11-01 Thread Gerd Petermann
mechanical and electronic signs, which can only show a very limited range of signs for which they have been specially constructed? And electronic signs with a more generic capability which can show "anything", possibly with a limited range of colours? //colin On 2015-11-02 08:05, Gerd Peter

Re: [Tagging] Often seen tagging problems regarding junctions

2015-11-01 Thread Gerd Petermann
thanks for this example. I think it illustrates my problem very well. The footways (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/372661072) are tagged [http://www.openstreetmap.org/assets/osm_logo_256-835a859acf0d378e1d14e88b15e7b4b95211ccd41a2c061b1629cfb

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-11-02 Thread Gerd Petermann
good points, I should have written traffic_information=* instead of information=* I also like the idea to separate advisory traffic signs from others, presuming that the laws are clear about this. We have several different tags like highway=distance_sign, highway=rock_slide, highway=motorway

[Tagging] traffic_sign:forward=*

2015-11-02 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, it seems that the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign is too confusing. The overpass query node[ "traffic_sign"="maxspeed"]["source:maxspeed"="sign"]; shows 831 nodes. My understanding is that one tag is for the node, the other for the way. Also funny: http://tag

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-11-02 Thread Gerd Petermann
My understanding was that John wants to point out that this part of the nature is very beautiful at a certain time and without the "help" of humans. A garden seems to imply that it is man_made. Gerd Von: Marc Gemis Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. November 2015 08:03

[Tagging] roundabouts without obstacles in the middle

2015-11-03 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, I think the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout is very clear about this, one has to connect the roads in a single node and add the tag highway=mini_roundabout. However, there seems to be a need to draw a circular way instead. See my discussion with ij_

Re: [Tagging] roundabouts without obstacles in the middle

2015-11-03 Thread Gerd Petermann
egy and related tools Betreff: Re: [Tagging] roundabouts without obstacles in the middle W dniu 03.11.2015 17:14, Gerd Petermann napisał(a): > I'd also be happy with e.g. > > center_barrier=no > > or just barrier=no > > as an attribute on the ways which make up the junctio

Re: [Tagging] roundabouts without obstacles in the middle

2015-11-03 Thread Gerd Petermann
en grown-up roundabouts with the central obstacle, and mini-roundabouts with no physical obstacle at all. Colin On 2015-11-03 17:14, Gerd Petermann wrote: Hi all, I think the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout is very clear about this, one has to connect the roa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2015-11-03 Thread Gerd Petermann
In Germany, you probably don't have to care at all. By default, you have a contract with one of the major comanies, if you want, you can chose another via Internet. My understanding is that the network is in the hand of a 4 large companies: E.ON,RWE,Vattenfall and EnBW. I am sure there are off

Re: [Tagging] traffic_sign:forward=*

2015-11-03 Thread Gerd Petermann
Well, I typically look at the english page, if I don't understand it, I check the german one as well. You are right, the german one doesn't even mention the :backward suffix. Still, there is no example that shows in detail how to use this tagging, and that's probably the reason for the mistakes. Al

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2015-11-04 Thread Gerd Petermann
2015 09:14 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office sent from a phone Am 04.11.2015 um 07:22 schrieb Gerd Petermann mailto:gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com>>: E.ON,RWE,Vattenfall and EnBW. I am sure there are o

Re: [Tagging] roundabouts without obstacles in the middle

2015-11-04 Thread Gerd Petermann
thanks for the link to the pdf, I think it shows that OSM is again a bit too close to UK rules ;-) In Germany roundabouts are getting more popular, but they require more space, and unused space is rare here. Gerd Von: Volker Schmidt Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. No

Re: [Tagging] traffic_sign:forward=*

2015-11-04 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi Martin, I think you are mixing two things now. I talked about the "As part of a way" part, not the "On a way or area" part, which looks even more weird to me. Besides that: Yes, I also think that we should map a traffic_sign as a node with the position of the sign. Gerd __

Re: [Tagging] roundabouts without obstacles in the middle

2015-11-04 Thread Gerd Petermann
I just notice that center_barrier or center_obstacle would be US spelling, so it has to be centre_* In other words, we should probably not use a key that is different in UK / US spelling, else we'll see many wrong entries. Another problem that I see here is that we allow to map a roundabout as

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-05 Thread Gerd Petermann
Sorry, I am confused by these terms. What is a "center two-way turn lane " or a "center common bi-directional turn lane" Do you have a picture ? Gerd Von: Paul Johnson Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. November 2015 13:19 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related to

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-05 Thread Gerd Petermann
] How to tag traffic islands ? On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Gerd Petermann mailto:gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Sorry, I am confused by these terms. What is a "center two-way turn lane " or a "center common bi-directional turn lane" Do you have a pict

[Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-05 Thread Gerd Petermann
I've learned that in some countries each junction has a name/ref and that these are used for navigation. At small junctions you may just find a node with a name tag, but at larger junctions or roundabouts I see all kinds of "tricks" to place an object with a name. I'd suggest to use a node ta

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-06 Thread Gerd Petermann
wow, so the problem is much bigger than I expected. I still think that my suggestion might help to solve the problem. My understanding so far: - In Japan (and maybe other countries), you would prefer to render only those traffic_signals which have a name - Complex junctions often require sever

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a fence made with metal bars?

2015-11-06 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hmm, in my eyes many fences / barriers are also some kind of art, esp. old ones made of metal are often hand crafted (at least in Germany). They are similar to the main entrances of buildings, they try to express somehow how the owner welcomes you (in case of the entrance) or tries to keep you aw

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-06 Thread Gerd Petermann
=yes for named junctions. Why is another tag needed? On 06/11/2015, Gerd Petermann wrote: > wow, so the problem is much bigger than I expected. > > I still think that my suggestion might help to solve the problem. > > My understanding so far: > > - In Japan (and maybe other coun

[Tagging] WG: [OSM-talk] highway=residential_link

2015-11-10 Thread Gerd Petermann
hell, forgot again to set the list on cc :-( see below. I think tagging is really the better place for it. Gerd Von: Gerd Petermann Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. November 2015 09:46 An: Mateusz Konieczny Betreff: AW: [OSM-talk] highway=residential_link I don&#

Re: [Tagging] highway=residential_link

2015-11-11 Thread Gerd Petermann
yes, a missing name should be no reason for a highway=residential_link. During the last days I've reviewed the remaining highway=residential_link roads, a few of them are quite special, so I fully understand that mappers have the idea that residential might not be correct, esp. when they believe t

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: effective_hours tag for restrictions

2015-11-11 Thread Gerd Petermann
I like the idea to use effective_hours=*. I just wonder if this oneway="Fr-Su 00:-24:00" means something like that: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/28865357 I'll ask the mapper, as it may also be a typo for opening_hours, though I doubt that. I assume there is a oneway sign with an additi

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Gerd Petermann
Just to make sure: I've not changed nodes tagged highway=crossing, but I changed some that were tagged highway=traffic_calming to highay=crossing. I see no problem to add a tag like traffic_calming=island to the same node, but I think that e.g. bumps are typically before the crossing, so those sh

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Gerd Petermann
So you think that every node tagged traffic_calming=* should additionally be tagged with highway=traffic_calming? That would mean we have >99% traffic_calming nodes with incorrect tagging. Gerd Von: Dave Swarthout Gesendet: Freitag, 20. November 2015 17:33

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Gerd Petermann
t have a crossing on them in Eugene, Oregon, but they are unusual, not the normal case. On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Gerd Petermann mailto:gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Just to make sure: I've not changed nodes tagged highway=crossing, but I changed some that were tagge

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Gerd Petermann
Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming Am 20.11.2015 um 18:24 schrieb Gerd Petermann: I found 940 nodes which were tagged with highway=traffic_calming. Most of them were also tagged with e.g. traffic_calming=bump or traffic_calming=table or one of the other well documented values. A few we

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Gerd Petermann
"Where traffic_calming is not a pedestrian crossing then highway=traffic_calming is the prefered way of tagging." The wiki doesn't mention this and most mappers seem not to know that, not even in the UK. The vast majority of traffic calmings is NOT tagged highway=traffic_calming. What am I getti

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Gerd Petermann
provided by Microsofts outlook.com. If I did it right, this post should appear as "Gerd Petermann" ciao, Gerd (GerdP) -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/improve-tagging-of-traffic-calming-tp5860596p5860661.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-21 Thread Gerd Petermann
Chris Hill-6 wrote > On 20/11/15 16:47, Gerd Petermann wrote: >> >> So you think that every node tagged traffic_calming=* should >> >> additionally be tagged with highway=traffic_calming? >> >> That would mean we have >99% traffic_calming nodes with >&

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-21 Thread Gerd Petermann
Paul Johnson-3 wrote >> > >> Most traffic calming features are not pedestrian crossings. >> >> Where traffic_calming is not a pedestrian crossing then >> highway=traffic_calming is the prefered way of tagging. >> > > Where are you getting this impression from? None of the JOSM presets, the > wiki

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-21 Thread Gerd Petermann
Dave Swarthout wrote > Sorry all. I'm on Thailand time and had to sleep. > > The highway=traffic_calming key is found on the top level highway page > here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway. On that page a link > to the types of traffic_calming device appears: > http://wiki.openstreet

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-21 Thread Gerd Petermann
Dave Swarthout wrote > *If we move traffic_calming to the "Other highway features"category we > will > probably see more ways segmented into highway=residentialand > highway=traffic_calming bits, and I think that would be a step back.My > conclusion so far: the wiki is missleading and most mappers

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-21 Thread Gerd Petermann
John Willis wrote >> On Nov 22, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Gerd Petermann < > gpetermann_muenchen@ > > wrote: >> >> highway=traffic_calming for the small way segments when we tell them >> to use it for nodes. My understanding is that this is not wanted. > > I

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-22 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi Chris, I am not a member of talk-GB, could you please post a link to this discussion and ask the mappers to review the remaining highway=traffic_calming nodes in GB? thanks, Gerd Von: Chris Hill Gesendet: Freitag, 20. November 2015 17:34 An: tagging

Re: [Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki (was: improve tagging of traffic_calming)

2015-11-22 Thread Gerd Petermann
Andy Townsend wrote > On 20/11/2015 18:49, Gerd Petermann wrote: >> >> What am I getting wrong here? Did someone remove the >> preferred way of tagging from the wiki and nobody noticed >> it for years? >> > > It doesn't surprise me that something doc

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Gerd Petermann
As a co-developer of mkgmap, a software that convert OSM data to Garmin map format, I've looked at this problem quite often now. I think routing itself is not the big problem here, unless we talk about the additional resources needed for the additional ways and junctions. Both tagging schemes

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Gerd Petermann
And this problem is not easy to solve by programs. Up to now I don't know any efficient algo that allows to find the nearest named road that goes parallel to a selected unnamed way. It would be of great help here. Gerd Von: Martin Koppenhoefer Gesendet: Die

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Gerd Petermann
Tagging for Routing So has the "street" relation just been born? It could solve some other puzzles as well: dual carriageways, cycle tracks, bridges... On 2015-11-24 11:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-11-24 11:30 GMT+01:00 Gerd Petermann mailto:gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com>

Re: [Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki (was: improve tagging of traffic_calming)

2015-11-24 Thread Gerd Petermann
Gerd Petermann wrote > > Andy Townsend wrote >> On 20/11/2015 18:49, Gerd Petermann wrote: >>> >>> What am I getting wrong here? Did someone remove the >>> preferred way of tagging from the wiki and nobody noticed >>> it for years? >>> >

Re: [Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki

2015-11-24 Thread Gerd Petermann
e same argument for traffic_calming nodes. OK? Gerd Von: Andy Townsend Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. November 2015 18:02 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki On 24/11/2015 16:47, Gerd Petermann wrote: > Ge

Re: [Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki

2015-11-25 Thread Gerd Petermann
ble? Gerd Von: Andy Townsend Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. November 2015 18:02 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki On 24/11/2015 16:47, Gerd Petermann wrote: > Gerd Petermann wrote >> Andy Townsend wrote >>&g

[Tagging] How to tag the inner part of a roundabout?

2015-12-09 Thread Gerd Petermann
I found many places where mappers tried to map the island in the roundabout, e.g. : 1) highway=island or highway=traffic_island 2) traffic_calming=island 3) landuse=traffic_island 1) I'd prefer not to use highway=* for ways which do not describe a means of transportation. 2) The wiki for t

[Tagging] Question reg. wheelchair mapping

2016-01-08 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, a few days ago I noticed that the "wheelchair routing" page seems to be quite out-aged. This section http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wheelchair_routing#Obstacles.2FAccessibility states that a ramp for wheelchairs should be tagged highway=access_ramp but this tag is rarely used and

Re: [Tagging] Question reg. wheelchair mapping

2016-01-08 Thread Gerd Petermann
Marc Gemis wrote >> >> after a review by local mappers >> >> and that the wiki pages are changed accordingly. >> >> If I hear no complains I'll change the english and german page >> >> next sunday. > > That's a pretty tight deadline. Wouldn't it be better to wait at least > 1 or 2 weeks? Perhaps i

Re: [Tagging] Question reg. wheelchair mapping

2016-01-08 Thread Gerd Petermann
Gerd Petermann wrote > > Marc Gemis wrote >>> >>> after a review by local mappers >>> >>> and that the wiki pages are changed accordingly. >>> >>> If I hear no complains I'll change the english and german page >>> >&g

Re: [Tagging] Question reg. wheelchair mapping

2016-01-08 Thread Gerd Petermann
Marc Gemis wrote > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Gerd Petermann > < > GPetermann_muenchen@ > > wrote: >> I'd like to see that the existing highway=access_ramp >> >> are changed to the well known >> >> highway=footway >> >> wh

Re: [Tagging] Question reg. wheelchair mapping

2016-01-08 Thread Gerd Petermann
dieterdreist wrote > 2016-01-08 10:31 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis < > marc.gemis@ > >: > >> I have a question about this. I think I can recognise an access ramp >> for wheelchair users when I see one. In general I don't know the >> incline %, but I assume that it was designed in such a way that the >>

Re: [Tagging] Question reg. wheelchair mapping

2016-01-09 Thread Gerd Petermann
Andy Townsend wrote > Have you tried contacting any of the consumers of the "access_ramp" > data? I'm assuming that none (or almost none) of them will read the > tagging list; the DE forum will find a few, but a small portion of the > number internationally. :-( My hope was to get in contact w

[Tagging] landuse=farmland and highway=track

2016-01-10 Thread Gerd Petermann
Hi all, I am currently (armchair) mapping rural areas in Japan, that means realigning nearly all existing ways. Whenever I am mapping landuse=farmland areas I wonder whether I should 1) draw one rather large polygon stretching across all highway=track ways and small buildings which are like

Re: [Tagging] landuse=farmland and highway=track

2016-01-10 Thread Gerd Petermann
Dave Swarthout wrote > Haha, welcome to the club. This is a problem everyone faces. Here in > Thailand I spend a lot of time breaking up large wood multipolygons > because > in the early days folks did not take the time to do it right. Woods do not > cover highways (unless its a farm track) nor do

Re: [Tagging] landuse=farmland and highway=track

2016-01-10 Thread Gerd Petermann
Warin wrote > On 10/01/2016 8:55 PM, Gerd Petermann wrote: >> Dave Swarthout wrote >>> Haha, welcome to the club. This is a problem everyone faces. Here in >>> Thailand I spend a lot of time breaking up large wood multipolygons >>> because >>> in the ea

Re: [Tagging] landuse=farmland and highway=track

2016-01-10 Thread Gerd Petermann
dieterdreist wrote > sent from a phone > >> Am 10.01.2016 um 09:21 schrieb Gerd Petermann < > GPetermann_muenchen@ > >: >> >> I am currently (armchair) mapping rural areas in Japan, that means >> realigning nearly all >> >> existing ways

Re: [Tagging] landuse=farmland and highway=track

2016-01-11 Thread Gerd Petermann
Florian Lohoff-2 wrote > Also there are much more fine grained tags for agricultural land e.g. > meadow etc - Typically when you map farmland and do it right it does not > grow that huge. You have small wooden strips, waterways with > scrub around, roads etc. I typically even break up at field bou

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