Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-12 Thread LM_1
streets). 3) Higher level, more abstract features can be handled more easily. 4) With appropriate editor (eg. JOSM with Relation Toolbox) it is no more difficult to learn than drawing a square. 10) Relations just make sense. Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2013/4/12 Martin Vonwald > Hi! > >

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-09 Thread LM_1
Could there not be something else than a generator=* in a role of a generator? LM_1 2013/4/9 Martin Vonwald > Hi again :-) > > 2013/4/9 François Lacombe > >> This is where I still don't understand you: why do I need to specify that >>> a feature XXX has the ro

Re: [Tagging] Mismatched Level of Detail in highways vs. other elements

2013-04-07 Thread LM_1
more abstract features - lanes, streets being represented by relations. That way the routing database would not be alonside it, but would be directly contained in it. The drawback being more processing required to mine useful routing data from the database. LM_1 2013/4/7 Martin Atkins > On

Re: [Tagging] Mismatched Level of Detail in highways vs. other elements

2013-04-07 Thread LM_1
lanes. If not some more detailed scheme would have to be used - mapping streets as areas. Eventually that will be the only viable option city centres currently mapped in high detail with only the streets being overly simplified... Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2013/4/7 Martin Atkins > > Hi all,

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-20 Thread LM_1
Is there any distinction for direction of the sign? LM_1 2012/11/20 Jo : > I'm mapping them as highway=stop as a node of the way, just before where it > crosses the main road. I would map a traffic_sign=stop as a node next to the > road. But that just makes it harder to work with

Re: [Tagging] The OSM philosophy (was: Carriageway divider)

2012-08-26 Thread LM_1
/routers seem to be a natural point of unification (There are not many features rendered by the main Mapnik style that are not widely mapped...). LM_1 2012/8/26 Ilari Kajaste : > On 26 August 2012 10:42, Markus Lindholm wrote: >> We're not supposed to map for the renderer nor the r

Re: [Tagging] Tagging amenity=waste_basket

2012-08-05 Thread LM_1
That makes sense, especially if there already is backrest=left|right|middle|none. LM 2012/8/5 Peter Wendorff : > Am 05.08.2012 18:10, schrieb LM_1: > >> For direction of the benches mapped as ways I would use analogous* >> rule to cliffs and retaining walls, that is: If you hold

Re: [Tagging] Tagging amenity=waste_basket

2012-08-05 Thread LM_1
of the way. *Lower retaining walls could actually be used as benches LM_1 2012/8/5 Tobias Knerr : > Komяpa wrote: >> >>> PS: Same with amenity=bench [2] >> >> I found linear amenity=bench quite useful for micromappning and 2.5D >> rendering: >> >>

Re: [Tagging] on the name of a tag for landcover

2012-08-03 Thread LM_1
What about this: Let's have fully qualified hierarchical names, something like landcover=vegetation:herbaceous:grass, landcover=herbaceous:herbs or landcover=vegetation:trees:coniferous That woudld allow precise specification as well as "something green grows there". Mappers would understandably no

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-02 Thread LM_1
away because data model is not perfect. But they might omit a feature or ten. I started contributing because osm maps were more detailed and precise than any other. Therefore I believe that the better map comes with osm watermark the more contributors the project gains. Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2012

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread LM_1
Let's not forget that this debate was started by naming disputes in Ukraine. I would vote for option 2 myself, but if that would be found impossible, I could agree with Tobias. LM 2012/8/2 Tobias Knerr : > "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" wrote: >> Tobias Knerr wrote: >>> You need to realize, though, th

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-31 Thread LM_1
/31 Pieren : > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:41 PM, LM_1 wrote: >> Actually almost any proposal containing relations is criticised from >> this perspective (relations being too complex/complicated for >> mappers). > > If you explain OSM to an average newcomer, not a geek or

Re: [Tagging] on the name of a tag for landcover

2012-07-31 Thread LM_1
n osm tagging). Today's renderers support landuse=gras and do not support landcover=anything. That being the reasons for landuse=* domination it is hardly enough to proclaim it the better way. LM_1 2012/7/31 Pieren : > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Johan Jönsson wrote: >> There are

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-07-31 Thread LM_1
(LM_1) 2012/7/31 Philip Barnes : > This thread has prompted me to look at the ferry routes around the UK, > and why only certain one are working. > > The biggest problems I have found, and so far fixed, are not the ferry > routes themselves but the access within the ports. A lot of acce

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-31 Thread LM_1
d Potlatch choose is not my decision. For all the rest Petr Morávek wrote, I fully agree with him. Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2012/7/31 Richard Fairhurst : > Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: >> This is actually not an argument against any tagging proposal, >> but argument for improving rel

Re: [Tagging] tagging awards and ratings

2012-07-26 Thread LM_1
applies to the whole area/facility site relation would be the place for ratings. That is because one object should not be influenced by nearby objects in tagging (adding prefixes and similar. LM_1 2012/7/26 Johan Jönsson : > Sometimes there is a discussion on how to tag differnt kind of awards

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_hydrant and wrenches

2012-07-25 Thread LM_1
rtantly OSM should not censor its data even if there is potential for abuse. (surveillance cameras for crime planning, detailed road maps for attack forces coordination, police using uploaded gps tracks to find locations where cars are likely to exceed speed limits... ) Lukáš Matějka (LM

Re: [Tagging] The wiki (was "Re: That stupid 'quarter' tag has been approved")

2012-06-02 Thread LM_1
it or document alternative but not ignore it. After a time it is likely that some (one) standard evolves. That would be quite not possible when nobody would document whatever they map before there is a consensual standard. LM_1 2012/6/2 Russ Nelson : > Steve Bennett writes: >  > A

Re: [Tagging] Value separator

2012-04-04 Thread LM_1
I would choose semicolon, because it is used already (even if not actually supported) LM_1 Dne 4. dubna 2012 23:16 yvecai napsal(a): > Hi, > > What is the best way to 'separate' values? > I think about piste:grooming='classic;skating' or 'classic+skating&#x

Re: [Tagging] reference_point and landmark for addresses

2012-04-04 Thread LM_1
e relative directions to get to the location - this is not an address and should not be tagged as one. Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) Dne 30. března 2012 10:11 Martin Koppenhoefer napsal(a): > What about the established tag "addr:full"? This was intended for > cases like

Re: [Tagging] dispute about center island in a turning circle

2012-03-13 Thread LM_1
Without willing to interfere in this discussion about the true nature of seemingly similar roundish street features, I'd like to point out that ending a line with a pentagonal or hexagonal approximation of a circle is actually less work than adding a tag on the last node (extra 5 or 6 clicks compar

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Bandstand

2012-03-12 Thread LM_1
That seems to be almost philosophical question about a perfect tag. I prefer more structured approach, like you proposed for bathing. LM 2012/3/12 Johan Jönsson : > LM_1 writes: >> 2012/3/11 Johan Jönsson goteborg.cc>: >> > leisure=bandstand is a good tag. >> >

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Bandstand

2012-03-11 Thread LM_1
right? > > There could be some controversy if one instead want one tag for all small > pavilions, garden-kiosks, gazebos out there. building=pavilion > > If one would want one tag for all music-playing places, leaisure=music_venue > or leisure=music. Thi

Re: [Tagging] Building tag, "building typology" vs "current function"

2012-02-26 Thread LM_1
The value for building key should be the type of the building, not its current use. A church remians church even after islam takes over and its used as a mosque or vice versa (Pécs). Villa is different from apartments or bungalow, but all are usually used for residential purposes. There are poly-fu

Re: [Tagging] How to tag the width of a gate

2012-02-26 Thread LM_1
might actually one of the legal limitations that are least arbitrary and most often supported by (bridge) hard reality. Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2012/2/26 Mike Valiant : > >> Originally there was little mention of any of them tags depicting >> purely legal restrictions. Even access/*=no wa

Re: [Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)

2012-02-21 Thread LM_1
Hi 2012/2/21 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > > On 02/20/2012 10:59 PM, LM_1 wrote: >> >> The possibility of free tags is great, but once some tagging style >> proves as usable (and better than any other), > > > ... which will never be the case ... I know, it is a

Re: [Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)

2012-02-20 Thread LM_1
ree > > Overall: be careful at forcing a new tagging scheme, where a different one > is in favour of the majority, and don't change documentation, as long as > that's the case. > > regards > Peter > > Am 20.02.2012 22:59, schrieb LM_1: > >> 2012/2/20 Chris

[Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)

2012-02-20 Thread LM_1
it should become a standard and used exclusively (or be challenged by a better one later). Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2012/2/20 Chris Hill : > On 19/02/12 23:38, Steve Bennett wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Chris Hill  wrote: >>> >>> I do not agree with the who

Re: [Tagging] Custom mailboxes

2012-02-20 Thread LM_1
I would not do that or care for such information, but why not... There is no "too far" LM_1 2012/2/20 Nathan Edgars II : > Would it be reasonable to map custom personal mailboxes that are essentially > public art (e.g. in the shape of a manatee)? Or is this goi

Re: [Tagging] tagging of "ele" / elevation data e.g. in the context of towers

2012-02-20 Thread LM_1
>From what has been written here it seems that elevation clearly does not contain buildings. Frederik Ramm: > You would normally put a natural=peak tag next to the tower anyway. > Or if you don't, then attach "ele" to the bench near the base of the > tower or so ;) Most peaks with some constructi

Re: [Tagging] tagging of "ele" / elevation data e.g. in the context of towers

2012-02-20 Thread LM_1
Generelly yes, but if there is a tower on the summit, there is not really any other way. Lukáš 2012/2/20 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > > On 02/20/2012 01:06 PM, LM_1 wrote: >> >> As I understand it option a) is correct. If put on a building it would >> mean that the

Re: [Tagging] tagging of "ele" / elevation data e.g. in the context of towers

2012-02-20 Thread LM_1
there the elevation is unchanged. Now what if you cover this building with earth to look more natural? How thick layer of earth is required for the elevation to change? But these cases will be uncommon and I still vote for a) Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2012/2/20 Martin Koppenhoefer : > On the German ML

Re: [Tagging] man_made

2012-02-19 Thread LM_1
The place is right, but: Why? What good would that change bring? Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2012/2/19 Amanda : > hello! > > new here. don't know if it's the right place to address this issue, sorry if > i'm mistaken.. > > my suggestion is: MAN

Re: [Tagging] When should a name:* translation be used?

2012-01-30 Thread LM_1
can live with Beijing, but 北京 is not helpful at all. Of course this name should be generally used by users of the language, not just translation. Survey (of language use) should be as good source for language translations, as it is for mapping. Lukas (LM_1) 2012/1/30 Craig Wallace : > On 30/01/2

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for a generic : type=multilinestring

2012-01-26 Thread LM_1
; How would it solve the case of river bifurcation if the river merges > together (river island, the same river flows on both sides)? > > How would it solve similar case of streets (lanes for different > directions split for some time and later merge together)? > > Thanks for a

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for a generic : type=multilinestring

2012-01-26 Thread LM_1
ve similar case of streets (lanes for different directions split for some time and later merge together)? Thanks for answering these questions Cheers Lukas (LM_1) 2012/1/26 sly (sylvain letuffe) : > Hi, > > I'd like your opinions on the following proposal : > > http://wiki.o

Re: [Tagging] Why are railway=crossing and level_crossing separate tags?

2012-01-20 Thread LM_1
Actually both highway=crossing and railway=crossing mark a place where you can meet different type of traffic (pedestrian-car, car-train, pedestrian-train...) LM_1 2012/1/20 Martijn van Exel : > Good question. I just noticed that the other day while using the > presets window. I'd sa

Re: [Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-16 Thread LM_1
That is what I am saying - access=no is useful as a generic value to make exceptions (like foot=yes) from. LM_1 2012/1/16 Ben Johnson : > > > On 16/01/2012, at 6:45, LM_1 wrote: > >>> Given that absolutely everything on the planet is accessible by at least >>> so

Re: [Tagging] Chaos and uncertainty in "bridge"

2012-01-16 Thread LM_1
your photos: N1 - if it can be considered a bridge at all it should have separate value, eg. bridge=zip_line N2 - suspended bridge, if it should be more specifiic something like bridge=suspension:[simple; underspaned; stressed _ribbon; suspended_deck; self_anchored...] could be used Lukas (LM_1

Re: [Tagging] Amenity swimming_pool (was Amenity parking)

2012-01-15 Thread LM_1
t - it is easier than excluding each use individually. access=no alone is really not usable. Maybe for paths in places of nuclear explosions. LM_1 2012/1/15 Ben Johnson : > On 13/01/2012, at 23:34, Michael Krämer wrote: > >>> If you'd read what I was replying to, you'd see th

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a dovecot?

2012-01-09 Thread LM_1
2012/1/9 Volker Schmidt : > Hmmm. > > man_made=dovecote > historic=yes > > This combination would indicate that the building was a dovecote at some > point, but is no longer in use, wouldn't it? > > Without "historic" it would still be in use, I suppose. > > I am surprised that this is such a rare

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - combined transport terminal"

2012-01-09 Thread LM_1
train - no matter if it is a person or a gift package or a goods container... The problem with your proposal is that it does not say much, in fact it is very incomplete. If you improve it, I will be glad to support it. LM_1 2012/1/4 Michael Wickert : > Hi Polyglot, > > sorry for answerin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - /entrance/door - Indoor mapping - Buildings

2012-01-05 Thread LM_1
/proximity/biometric/... Cheers Lukas (LM_1) 2012/1/5 Peter Wendorff : > Hi Andreas. > I didn't vote (yet), because I'm a little bit ambiguous about it. > On the one hand I like detail mapping and even indoor mapping ideas, but - > and here is the (or at least one) comment you reques

Re: [Tagging] power=tower enhancement

2011-12-14 Thread LM_1
tower:riser=yes seems good and in need it could be enhanced with yes being replaced by power, telecommunication etc. For basic processing it is simple (any value but "no" means some sort of riser) if more precise info is needed, the information is there. LM_1 2011/12/14 Владимир