Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-29 Thread Evan Platt
--On Monday, December 29, 2003 1:53 PM -0600 John Beamon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He's gone, folks. He had no interest in getting real assistance, and he > never came back. I thought he replied with.. > I did not know spamassassin is home-brew. I thought I was dealing with > one of dozens

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-29 Thread John Beamon
He's gone, folks. He had no interest in getting real assistance, and he never came back. The list has been most helpful in pointing out that his own subscribers use SA voluntarily, train it themselves, and failed to whitelist this web-app travesty of an "email" message. (I particularly like

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-29 Thread Charles Gregory
Hello! If I may toss in my own two cents: 1) In general, responsible service providers make it a user OPTION (opt-IN) to use spamassassin, and allow users to set their own 'comfort level', to minimize what THEY consider to be false positives. 2) Spamassassin on its own does not block or delete

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-29 Thread Alan Fullmer
Seriously, There are some issues you need to work through. (Personal Issues) I switched to Spamassassin over a year ago, and have not looked back. It is by far the most accurate I have ever seen. Not to mention customizable, and very very powerful. I really think you are from some company th

RE: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-29 Thread Evan Platt
--On Monday, December 29, 2003 12:43 PM -0500 "Christopher X. Candreva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As someone who owns his own ISP and frequently does support, I can tell > you that rude messages go to the BOTTOM of the queue. Especially if they > are from people who aren't paying customers. (A

RE: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-29 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003, schafer wrote: > > > > People have no insentive to help > > rude people Stop being a jerk and you'll likely get more help. > > I did not know spamassassin is home-brew. I thought I was dealing with > one of dozens of commercial outfits, and whom in my experience respond much >

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread Tim B
schafer wrote: To Spamassassin: My publication is double-opted in by 15,000 families with children with autism. We are routinely victimized by incompetent software like spamassassin because of false positives. This is just as intolerable as > spam. It is worse than spam because it victimizes t

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread Pedro Sam
1. Chill ... 2. Your mail was flagged primarily because of it's HTML nature... There are many online resources and guidelines that can help you write newsletters. Google for them. 3. Your complains are ill-directed, becuase SA is not responsible for your receivers CHOOSING to filter out y

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread Martin Radford
gyAt Sun Dec 28 21:38:15 2003, cami wrote: > > > I do not know if this is the right place to complain as I could not find an > > email address that offers feedback to the company. This arrogance stinks, > > too. As if software developers don't need public feedback about their junky > > products.

Re: [SAtalk] False positives (fwd)

2003-12-28 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:07:34 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher X. Candreva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] False positives On Thu, 25 Dec 2003, schafer wrote: > To Spamassassin: > > My publicati

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread Bob Apthorpe
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:38:15 +0200 cami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I do not know if this is the right place to complain as I could not find an > > email address that offers feedback to the company. This arrogance stinks, > > too. As if software developers don't need public feedback about the

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread cami
I do not know if this is the right place to complain as I could not find an email address that offers feedback to the company. This arrogance stinks, too. As if software developers don't need public feedback about their junky products. Someone needs to put a shotgun to this morons head and pull t

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread Bob Apthorpe
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 23:00:14 -0800 "schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To Spamassassin: > > My publication is double-opted in by 15,000 families with children with > autism. We are routinely victimized by incompetent software like > spamassassin because of false positives. This is just as in

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread Evan Platt
At 11:00 PM 12/25/2003, you wrote: My publication is double-opted in by 15,000 families with children with autism. We are routinely victimized by incompetent software like spamassassin because of false positives. This is just as intolerable as spam. It is worse than spam because it victimizes th

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread Simon Byrnand
> To Spamassassin: Who is this 'SpamAsassin' you're writing to ? > My publication is double-opted in by 15,000 families with children with > autism. We are routinely victimized by incompetent software like > spamassassin because of false positives. Whoa, steady on there... not a good start to y

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread Anthony Martinez
On Thu, Dec 25, 2003 at 11:00:14PM -0800, schafer carved this out of pure phosphors: > To Spamassassin: > > My publication is double-opted in by 15,000 families with children with > autism. We are routinely victimized by incompetent software like > spamassassin because of false positives. This

Re: [SAtalk] False positives

2003-12-28 Thread Morris Jones
That's a tough one Lenny. There is no company that produces Spamassassin. It's a free open source collaboration by individuals who contribute their time. It's not a commercial product. The Bayesian classifier in Spamassassin is trained by the user, and by very high scoring spam. Spamassassin d

Re: [SAtalk] False Positives with sorbs.net

2003-11-30 Thread Peter Kiem
Hi, > How many of you use sorbs.net without too much trouble? I'm just Been testing with http.dnsbl.sorbs.net, socks.dnsbl.sorbs.net, misc.dnsbl.sorbs.net, smtp.dnsbl.sorbs.net, web.dnsbl.sorbs.net and dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net over the last few days and so far it is all good. I was using only dnsbl

Re: [SAtalk] false positives on rules

2002-07-17 Thread Matt Sergeant
Justin Mason wrote: > David Young said: > > >>1. DOUBLE_CAPSWORD matches lines where there are no double capswords. This >>is because it finds "URI:", which is text that spamassassin inserted itself >>while processing the message. > > > I don't know how long that rule's going to last, it gets

Re: [SAtalk] false positives on rules

2002-07-17 Thread Justin Mason
David Young said: > 1. DOUBLE_CAPSWORD matches lines where there are no double capswords. This > is because it finds "URI:", which is text that spamassassin inserted itself > while processing the message. I don't know how long that rule's going to last, it gets loads of FPs ;) > 2. REALLY_UNSA

RE: [SAtalk] false positives since upgrading to 2.11 (1/7)

2002-03-07 Thread Seth H. Bokelman
iences University of Northern Iowa - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Douglas J Hunley Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:13 PM To: Olivier Nicole Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] false positives since upgrading to 2.11 (1/7) Olivier Nicole sp

Re: [SAtalk] false positives since upgrading to 2.11 (1/7)

2002-03-07 Thread Douglas J Hunley
Olivier Nicole spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into: > The reports tells you that the mailing list is sent through a relay > that is known to be used for spam. > > And this is confirmed by a second source, and the two sources maintain > independant databases of relay used by spam. >

Re: [SAtalk] false positives since upgrading to 2.11 (1/7)

2002-03-07 Thread Olivier Nicole
>As you can see from the email attached, this mail got flagged simply because >of 'received via relay' and 'confirmed spam source' >I received the mail from a mailing list. I do *not* want to add the mailing >list address to my whitelist as this mail would have been fine before >upgrading to 2.

Re: [SAtalk] false positives since upgrading to 2.11 (2/7)

2002-03-06 Thread rODbegbie
The problem is not SA -- It's that the relay for the mailing list is currently in a blacklist. Either switch off blacklist checking for OSIRUSOFT or whitelist the mailing list. rOD. -- "Fast! Fast! Faster! Bring the beef, you bastard," cries Paula Abdul, "and don't forget the pasta!" -

Re: [SAtalk] false positives from VERY_SUSP_RECIPS

2002-02-20 Thread John Beck
+> ... would trigger false positives on +> a@domain, b@domain, ..., k@domain +> i.e., 11 (not 10) of the same domain would trigger this regardless of the +> local parts. Well, the SUSPICIOUS_[CC_]RECIPS macros seemed good, so I +> tweaked them ... Tom> Coincidentally, I just sent fixes for the

Re: [SAtalk] false positives from VERY_SUSP_RECIPS

2002-02-20 Thread Tom Lipkis
At Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:16:56 -0800 John Beck wrote: > ... > would trigger false positives on > > a@domain, b@domain, ..., k@domain > > i.e., 11 (not 10) of the same domain would trigger this regardless of the > local parts. Well, the SUSPICIOUS_[CC_]RECIPS macros seemed good, so I > tweaked the

RE: [SAtalk] false positives on conference announcements

2002-01-22 Thread Tom Lipkis
> > Conference announcements often contain the phrase "the > > following format" > > when requesting submissions, which matches the > > THE_FOLLOWING_FORM rule, > > which has a quite high score. Adding \W to the end of the > > pattern prevents > > this, and seems safe in general. > > \b would

RE: [SAtalk] false positives on conference announcements

2002-01-22 Thread Matt Sergeant
> -Original Message- > From: Tom Lipkis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Conference announcements often contain the phrase "the > following format" > when requesting submissions, which matches the > THE_FOLLOWING_FORM rule, > which has a quite high score. Adding \W to the end of the > p

RE: [SAtalk] false positives

2002-01-21 Thread Craig Hughes
On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 01:42, Matt Sergeant wrote: Anyway, I'm going to try and get the GA running here, though I'm not sure how easy that will be since it seems to be targetted at mbox's, whereas I've got Maildir's... But I'll figure it out. mass-check should work fine with maildirs t

RE: [SAtalk] false positives

2002-01-21 Thread Matt Sergeant
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > mike castleman said: > > > 1) Any tips for reducing this number? Most of the messages are not > >especially private, so I can forward them or put them on the web > >somewhere if people want. I don't wan

Re: [SAtalk] false positives

2002-01-21 Thread mike castleman
On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 12:44:10AM -0500, mike castleman wrote: > 2) And, for when false positives do occur, has anyone yet hacked up a >mutt macro for running the message through spamassassin -d and >moving the message to another folder? So, there might be some prettier way, but here's w

Re: [SAtalk] false positives

2002-01-20 Thread Justin Mason
mike castleman said: > 1) Any tips for reducing this number? Most of the messages are not >especially private, so I can forward them or put them on the web >somewhere if people want. I don't want to bombard the list with my >mailspool though. Sure, zip them up and mail them to me, I

Re: [SAtalk] false positives

2002-01-18 Thread Bob Proulx
> I seem to be getting a (presumably) unusally high number of false > positives. I'm up to 21 in the past week, on an input of 1540 > messages. (Damn, I am on too many mailing lists.) This is about 1.3%, I think the list wisdom goes with whitelisting mailing lists. But then you lose the ability