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> Behalf Of Keith Dowell
> Sent: 21 January 2004 19:44
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
>
> When I say have more educated users, this is what I'm really
> talking about.
> I'm no expecti
Keith Dowell wrote:
> I made this point on a mimedefang list. Some people didn't really
> like it.
I like your point but I have some minor points of interest.
>
> Computers are too complicated for people to be responsible some said.
>
> So I tried equating it to maintaining your car in that, if
ple at work.
That's the education I'm talking about. Know when to change the oil and
tires (and how). And know that when it's making a funny noise it's time to
visit the mechanic.
Both go back to - user responsibility.
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From: "Matthew Hunter&quo
> The most appropriate response would be to demand Microsoft fix
> their software.
That is about as effective as trying to catch your breath in a vacuum. :)
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 12:13:26PM -0500, Chris Santerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know tons of people with broadband connections that might be on only a few
> times a week. Some don't even notice their cpu is slower. I also know some
> pretty intelligent people that despite what they try, sti
On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 11:43, Keith Dowell wrote:
> I made this point on a mimedefang list. Some people didn't really like it.
>
And I made almost the exact same point here recently...
> Computers are too complicated for people to be responsible some said.
>
IMHO, if it's too complicated, you sho
7;t win.
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From: "Chris Santerre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Keith Dowell'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
> I agree an
> -Original Message-
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[mailto:spamassassin-talk-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Santerre
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:27 AM
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install them myself :)
--Chris
> -Original Message-
> From: Keith Dowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:43 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
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> I made this point on a mim
o: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]';
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Importance: High
Yeah, we have had this same conversation on another list a week ago. We
are
saying by DEFAULT and ISP should block the ports, BUT it should be
removed
if asked, and FREE of charge. I&
ewing crap out on the net, because your
computers infected, because it got hacked, because you had no protection,
etc etc, yadda, yadda - then it's your OWN fault.
Think logically here folks.
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From: "Pedro Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[E
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:58 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
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> Not to flame anyone, but I sure do hope my isp never blocks ports. I
> don't pay for obstructed internet access. I do run a small
> m
, January 21, 2004 10:08 AM
To: 'Fred'; AltGrendel; Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
...
I'm trying to find some stats on spam origins. Particularly by ISP. I
see
very little spam coming from cox.net cable modems vs. a buttload from
Com
-Original Message-
From: Chris Santerre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:08 AM
To: 'Fred'; AltGrendel; Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
> -Original Message-
> From: Fred [mailto:
27;; AltGrendel; Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
...
I'm trying to find some stats on spam origins. Particularly by ISP. I see
very little spam coming from cox.net cable modems vs. a buttload from
Comcast. Would be nice to know the biggest ones and start
> -Original Message-
> From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:39 AM
> To: AltGrendel; Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
>
>
> AltGrendel wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-01-20 at
AltGrendel wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 18:28, Fred wrote:
>>
>> I can not imagine what it would be like to work for an abuse dept. at
>> an internet company and receive hundreds or thousands of complaints
>> about customers computers being hijacked or turned into spam zombies.
>>
> Non-original
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 18:28, Fred wrote:
>
> I can not imagine what it would be like to work for an abuse dept. at
> an internet company and receive hundreds or thousands of complaints
> about customers computers being hijacked or turned into spam zombies.
>
Non-original joke:
I think that jo
Hi,
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:44:35 -0500 Pedro Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I take an opposite view point. ISP's should disable a user's account,
> if that account is found to be launching any malicious attacks,
> regardless of whether that account was intentionally malicious or was
> simply h
I take an opposite view point. ISP's should disable a user's account, if that
account is found to be launching any malicious attacks, regardless of whether
that account was intentionally malicious or was simply hacked.
It's time people own up to the responsibility of a presence on the internet.
Hello Fred,
Tuesday, January 20, 2004, 3:28:24 PM, you wrote:
F>
F> Today starts day 1 of a massive joe-job against my domain.
F> Today also starts day 1 of my crusade to do something to help the
F> problem.
F> I feel that large providers of high speed internet services (Cable
F> / DSL) need
Based on the record, to date, it would be the easiest job in
the world Kind of like being the safety officer on the Titanic.
RO
>I can not imagine what it would be like to work for an
abuse dept. at an internet company and receive hundreds or thousands of
complaints about customers >c
Today starts day 1 of a massive joe-job against my
domain.
Today also starts day 1 of my crusade to do something to help
the problem.
I feel that large providers of high speed internet services
(Cable / DSL) need to do more to protect their customers.
If the Cable / DSL providers wer
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