I agree and disagree :)
How many times have you heard this:
"I don't understand, I have antivirus software."
"When was the last time you updated it?"
"Update?"
:-)
I know tons of people with broadband connections that might be on only a few
times a week. Some don't even notice their cpu is slower. I also know some
pretty intelligent people that despite what they try, still end up with
trojans and viruses from their kid's downloads. I say that your average
middle class family will just never fully understand how to handle a
computer on the net. They are busy scratching out a living.
It needs to be made safer by the people who understand it. I can only effect
my immediate family/friends. And despite my best efforts, they still get
whacked now and then.
Airbags make me safer. But there wasn't anyway in hell I was going to
install them myself :)
--Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Dowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:43 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
>
>
> I made this point on a mimedefang list. Some people didn't
> really like it.
>
> Computers are too complicated for people to be responsible some said.
>
> So I tried equating it to maintaining your car in that, if
> your car smokes
> and causes pollution - it is NOT the manufacturers
> responsibility to come
> fix your car. It's your responsibility to take it to the
> nearest mechanic.
> If it smokes too much the police might just have to remove
> you from the road
> for other peoples safety.
>
> What I got in return to that was - Yeah sure, but doesn't relate. Auto
> manufacturers don't put out buggy cars like microsoft puts out buggy
> software.
>
> Hmm... good point - but doesn't microsoft put out these things called
> patches? Is it not the users responsibility to maintain their software
> (vehicle) but obtaining these patches (tune up).
>
> I don't see how this doesn't equate. It's the same friggin
> thing. If you are
> going to put yourself on the internet then you should be held
> accountable
> for what happens to your computer. It isn't microsoft/linux 's
> responsibility to educate users. It's their own
> responsibility to educate
> themselves or suffer the consequences. You have to think of
> this in terms of
> the dsl/cable connections. Everyone is now "always on" which
> in essence
> makes them like a little open node on the internet. The
> government is NOT
> responsible, NOR the ISP, NOR the software manufacturer for
> maintaining
> safety of these little nodes. I'm sorry, but I will not see
> this any other
> way. The government doesn't know their head from their ass as
> far as the
> internet, the ISP should only be responsible for shutting the
> nodes down
> originating from their own network, and the software
> manufacturers should
> make patches available when they fix bugs. The USER is/SHOULD BE held
> responsible to secure, maintain, upgrade, etc etc their
> little node. Too
> complicated? Then they don't need to be on the net all the
> time (or period
> for that matter as far as I'm concerned). Or they need to
> hire a mechanic
> "PC-TECH".
>
> All this really becomes is a whole debate of how responsible
> should a user
> be?
>
> I agree - the user should have responsibility. No one is/can
> or should be
> responsible to go out and hold every little users hand, and
> assist them with
> every little nuance of owning a computer. Maybe that sounds a
> bit harsh, but
> I still say it's like maintaining your car. All of this
> knowledge and info
> is freely available (some even in little paper books or cd's called
> manuals).
>
> If you're stupid and don't read the "owners manual" for your
> car, never
> change the oil, wear your tires bald, never change the
> windshield wipers,
> and people force you to quit driving the vehicle, it's your OWN fault.
>
> If you don't RTFM, do a little research, (my god - it is NOT
> THAT FRIGGIN
> HARD) get the basics of owning a computer, and get your
> little node shut
> down because your a friggin idiot spewing crap out on the
> net, because your
> computers infected, because it got hacked, because you had no
> protection,
> etc etc, yadda, yadda - then it's your OWN fault.
>
> Think logically here folks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam.
>
>
> > I take an opposite view point. ISP's should disable a
> user's account, if
> that
> > account is found to be launching any malicious attacks,
> regardless of
> whether
> > that account was intentionally malicious or was simply hacked.
> >
> > It's time people own up to the responsibility of a presence on the
> internet.
> >
> > --
> > In those days he was wiser than he is now -- he used to
> frequently take
> > my advice.
> > -- Winston Churchill
> >
> >
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