> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:39 AM > To: AltGrendel; Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] [OT] - The current state spam. > > > AltGrendel wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 18:28, Fred wrote: > >> > >> I can not imagine what it would be like to work for an > abuse dept. at > >> an internet company and receive hundreds or thousands of complaints > >> about customers computers being hijacked or turned into > spam zombies. > >> > > Non-original joke: > > > > I think that job is usually assigned to /Dave/Null. > > <grumble> > That's what I'm all worked up about. If these large > broadband providers > were more pro-active a lot of things would be different. > Take the following events for example: > Massive DDOS attacks which take down large sites like > yahoo.com and many > others. > Massive Habeas forgery causing mass-confusion on why people > are seeing spam. > (majority cable / dsl zombies) > Preventing those people who choose to use our computers without our > permission and knowledge. > Most people I know have to pay for their cable & DSL > connection and they pay > way too much money for it. > > Maybe a simple solution would to be making the cable / dsl > customers receive > a new IP address every 2 hours? > I am sure this will anger many but would make spam advertised > sites go down > much faster. > > Give all cable / dsl a private IP address and allow real IP > if requested. > Those who are not familiar with the internet tend to get > themselves into > trouble by accident. Protected behind a private IP would > protect them from > many of the issues I'm upset about. That alone would have > helped to prevent > spread of Blaster type worms. Why leave un-knowing people in > front of the > defenses when they don't even know a war is being waged. > > From a litle research I find that cable & dsl are being used > for hosting the > spam content as well as DNS hosting for their domains and > also for sending > the spam messages. If we take out that massive source of zombies the > spammers would be in deep trouble. They would be force to > pay for hosting, > or hack into companies / schools which would make them more > likely to be > caught. Or funnier yet, hack modems for hosting, that'll be the day! > > If I'm going after a website for spamming me I target the following in > order: > Step 1: Whois records, against valid contact information. > Many registrars > say they will suspend a domain for invalid contact records. > Step 2: Next comes DNS servers. Check the domain name on the > dns servers > and attempt step 1. > Step 3: Netblock of website. Most times I find a massive > listing of cable / > dsl zombies used for hosting website. > Step 4: Netblock of DNS provider. Same results of step 3 found. > Step 5: Get mad and give up. Re-think attack and plan new methods. > </grumble> > > Frederic Tarasevicius >
I also try the same. Some ISPs are useless to try to talk to, Above.net. THey will end up blacklisting the complainee! (Is that a word?) :) I'm trying to find some stats on spam origins. Particularly by ISP. I see very little spam coming from cox.net cable modems vs. a buttload from Comcast. Would be nice to know the biggest ones and start a movement one at a time to get this problem fixed. If I've learned anything from this list, its a group has a far better chance of getting things done then 1 person. Consider me with you Fred. --Chris ------------------------------------------------------- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
