RE: [SAtalk] sitewide auto_whitelist db

2002-01-31 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
> >I was think about this exact same thing today, as I put SA into > production for my 400+ users (800+ email accounts - and without a > hiccup, I might add ;^). I wanted to have the default be to not filter > because that's what people are used to, so I set the default theshold to > 100 and

[SAtalk] Okay. No Response on SpamProxy Question.... Now another

2002-01-31 Thread Greg Blakely
Hi folks. I'm the one who wrote the other day to ask if anyone had heard of the error I mentioned regarding SpamProxy, and the silence was deafening. So, I wrote to the author, and he'd not heard of anything like it. So, I'm left to ask a very BASIC question: I actually DO have spamassassin wo

[SAtalk] Stock advisory spams slipping through

2002-01-31 Thread Michael Moncur
I've seen many "stock advisory" spams slip through recently. They tend to have >From lines like this: From: Investor Offers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone think this is worth a rule? I would think both "investor" and "offers" (or either separately) would be a good spam indicator, but I'm curious whe

Re: [SAtalk] sitewide auto_whitelist db

2002-01-31 Thread Donald Greer
CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson wrote: > I have been testing the auto_whitelist (AWL) feature sitewide in a single > database and have come to realize that it does have a downside - namely that > if false negatives get thru then eventually their address is added to the > AWL and then SA will never c

[SAtalk] sitewide auto_whitelist db

2002-01-31 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
I have been testing the auto_whitelist (AWL) feature sitewide in a single database and have come to realize that it does have a downside - namely that if false negatives get thru then eventually their address is added to the AWL and then SA will never catch them as Spam. Any way around this? I a

[SAtalk] FW: *****SPAM***** Re: What is a good, small, web browser?

2002-01-31 Thread dman
We've got a list to report false-negatives, but how about false-positives? -D - Forwarded message from csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *SPAM* Re: What is a good, small, web browser? Date: Fri, 01

RE: [SAtalk] missed Spam in v2.01

2002-01-31 Thread Gene Ruebsamen
I agree, we should be careful with the word debt. Being in the Real Estate field, I often communicate with my clients via e-mail, and I can only imagine the number of times the word "debt" is used in our communications. This is likely to be a problem in business related e-mails vs. technical e-ma

Re: [SAtalk] missed Spam in v2.01

2002-01-31 Thread dman
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:40:02PM -0500, Greg Ward wrote: | On 31 January 2002, CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson said: | > Thanks for the reply. I am not so good interpreting the tests. Does anyone | > know of a good reference that would help me to interpret what the test is | > doing? | | Randall

Re: [SAtalk] Looking to just delete ...

2002-01-31 Thread Nels Lindquist
On 31 Jan 2002 at 11:53, Charlie Watts wrote: > Having ways to integrate SA and an MTA is great. > > You can set the benchmark for rejection wherever you are comfortable. But > you need an MTA that has Perl hooks to be able to integrate SA into the > SMTP session. > > Or milter, I suppose. And

Re: [SAtalk] auto_whitelist tools

2002-01-31 Thread Craig Hughes
There's a directory in CVS called "tools" which contains a script "check_whitelist" which will dump the contents of the database. The only implemented way to make changes to the DB at the moment is through spamassassin -R and spamassassin -W, though it's a simple little DB File, it'd be trivial t

[SAtalk] auto_whitelist tools

2002-01-31 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
How do I get a list of addresses that are currently in the auto_whitelist database? Is there a way to remove a specific one aside from sending a message to "spamassassin -R"? --- Ed. ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.

Re: [SAtalk] spamc locks up.

2002-01-31 Thread Charlie Watts
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Kirk Davis wrote: > I'm noticing a strange problem with spamc. > This setup works fine at low volume but when I try and load it down > spamc seems to hang. I'm using a benchmarking utility called 'postal' to > test the setup. When spamc hangs I can see 3 or 4 s

Re: [SAtalk] spamc locks up.

2002-01-31 Thread Craig Hughes
Replying off list -- will report back once we have solved. C on 1/31/02 9:40 AM, Kirk Davis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > I'm noticing a strange problem with spamc. > > I am running SA 2.01 using spamc,spamd, and spamass-milter with > sendmail 8.12.2. This is running on a FreeBSD 4.4 bo

Re: [SAtalk] Looking to just delete ...

2002-01-31 Thread Charlie Watts
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Nels Lindquist wrote: > On 31 Jan 2002 at 1:39, Charlie Watts wrote: > > > Messages are already tagged with numbers indicating spammishness. Is > > adding "Maybe" and "Probably" just helpful because it makes filtering > > easier? It really isn't adding any information. > > > >

Re: [SAtalk] Looking to just delete ...

2002-01-31 Thread Craig Hughes
What I would suggest if you're planning on doing this is to get the SA report and insert that into the NDR, with suitable customization of the "report" lines in 10_misc.cf so that legitimate mail can easily be "fixed" by the sender and re-sent. I'd say, as you point out, that it is in fact no wor

Re: [SAtalk] Proposed rule: many recipients with the samelocal-part

2002-01-31 Thread Craig Hughes
Yes, there are a number of rules designed to catch exactly this behavior. Look in 20_head_tests.cf for the '*SUSP*' rules. They catch both the stuff you mention below, and even do a pretty good job with stuff like: To: erica@blah Cc: erica@foo, eric@bar, ernie@baz C on 1/31/02 9:07 AM, Greg Wa

Re: [SAtalk] missed Spam in v2.01

2002-01-31 Thread Craig Hughes
'pay off debt' gets only 9 hits in the corpus 'pay off your debt' gets 86 'debt' shows up almost 10,000 times though, so we might want a broader rule 'debt free' shows up 600 times 'pay off.*debt' -- 226 'debt consolidation' -- over 400 We probably should be a little careful, since if someone

Re: [SAtalk] Spam phrases - is "for your" really that spammy?

2002-01-31 Thread Craig Hughes
The spam-phrase code weights the scores of phrases by the length of the message, in other words, it's not the occurrence of spam phrases, but rather the density of spam phrases that's important. Since "for your" consititutes a large percentage of such a short message, it's getting scored really h

[SAtalk] spamc locks up.

2002-01-31 Thread Kirk Davis
Hi, I'm noticing a strange problem with spamc. I am running SA 2.01 using spamc,spamd, and spamass-milter with sendmail 8.12.2. This is running on a FreeBSD 4.4 box. I'm trying this out on a test server before I set it up on our main mail servers. This setup has to

Re: [SAtalk] missed Spam in v2.01

2002-01-31 Thread Greg Ward
On 31 January 2002, CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson said: > Thanks for the reply. I am not so good interpreting the tests. Does anyone > know of a good reference that would help me to interpret what the test is > doing? Randall Schwartz, *Learning Perl* Larry Wall et. al., *Programming Perl* Jef

Re: [SAtalk] Looking to just delete ...

2002-01-31 Thread Nels Lindquist
On 31 Jan 2002 at 1:39, Charlie Watts wrote: > Messages are already tagged with numbers indicating spammishness. Is > adding "Maybe" and "Probably" just helpful because it makes filtering > easier? It really isn't adding any information. > > I find that a decent bit of my spam is in the 5-10 ran

RE: [SAtalk] missed Spam in v2.01

2002-01-31 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
> The LINE_OF_YELLING test is (IMHO) too picky in SA 2.0 (and, I presume, > 2.01). See the archive for details. Bottom line, the line has to be >= > 45 characters long, and there has to be a YELLING word >= 5 chars long > >= 20 chars from either end. I proposed a couple of lame replacements, >

Re: [SAtalk] missed Spam in v2.01

2002-01-31 Thread Greg Ward
On 31 January 2002, CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson said: > What puzzles me is that this one should have gotten a LINE OF YELLING and > UNSUBSCRIBE. Something appears broken. The LINE_OF_YELLING test is (IMHO) too picky in SA 2.0 (and, I presume, 2.01). See the archive for details. Bottom line, t

[SAtalk] Proposed rule: many recipients with the same local-part

2002-01-31 Thread Greg Ward
Someone on the Exim list is trying to filter out messages that look like this: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ... ie. same local-part repeated many times in various reci

RE: [SAtalk] missed Spam in v2.01

2002-01-31 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
> > > I'm seeing a lot of debt stuff too... > > How about: > > body PAY_OFF_DEBT /pay off (your )?debt/i > describe PAY_OFF_DEBT A "pay off your debt" spam > > Matt. > -- > <:->Get a smart net > What puzzles me is that this one should have gotten a LINE OF YELLING and UNSUBSCRIBE. Something appe

RE: [SAtalk] missed Spam in v2.01

2002-01-31 Thread Matt Sergeant
I'm seeing a lot of debt stuff too... How about: body PAY_OFF_DEBT /pay off (your )?debt/i describe PAY_OFF_DEBT A "pay off your debt" spam Matt. -- <:->Get a smart net > -Original Message- > From: CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 31 January 2002 16:12 >

[SAtalk] missed Spam in v2.01

2002-01-31 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
Upgraded to v2.01 and seem to be getting more missed Spam than in v1.5. This one message that I just recieved made it thru. I would have thought that the "line of yelling" and "unsubscribe" would have triggered a score but they were missed. Here it is: Return-Path: <> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTE

RE: [SAtalk] MyParty

2002-01-31 Thread Julian Field
At 20:05 29/01/2002, Gene Ruebsamen wrote: >Check out www.mailscanner.info for more information. The setup I currently >use is: SendMail + SpamAssassin (using spamd & spamc) + MailScanner (using >Sophos Sweep). Seems to work good; however, MailScanner has the ability to >call SpamAssassin from wi

Re: [SAtalk] SA research

2002-01-31 Thread Dave Weiner
> > Just out of curiosity Kelsey, why file based? What's wrong with sql based? > > Nothing, although afaic, it's just another moving part to break. The real Eh...if you've already got MySQL or some other rdbms running, minor :) > reason the I want to use file based configuration is we have a l

RE: [SAtalk] False positive in HTTP_ESCAPED_HOST rule

2002-01-31 Thread Matt Sergeant
I'm actually inclined to add a check_url(regexp) function that properly extracts all URL's using the same rules as Outlook uses (which is the target client for spammers), and then checks it for matching the regexp. I'll look into that next week if I remember to do it. Matt. -- <:->Get a smart ne

[SAtalk] Spam phrases - is "for your" really that spammy?

2002-01-31 Thread Michael Moncur
I received a very brief personal reply to a message that was misclassified as spam. This was largely due to some DNSBL scores, but I was surprised that the message managed to score 2.6 points for the spam phrases test. Here's the report: X-Spam-Report: 5.36 hits, 5 required; * 1.6 -- Contain

Re: [SAtalk] Updating ponderations given by the GA

2002-01-31 Thread Justin Mason
> Now having just said that, I've realized that one thing Justin didn't > give me access to (I don't think) is the corpus before it's been passed > through mass-check! Hopefully you're still there Justin, an we can > figure something out there. Craig -- still here, ish -- on dialup and webmail

[SAtalk] suggested spamc modifications for MTA integration

2002-01-31 Thread Nigel Metheringham
Folks, I've just been playing with setting up a SA config with exim (theres probably going to be a SA HOWTO added to the exim web site once a few of us get some text written). There are 2 things that I think would make the integration a little easier:- 1. The ability to push a BSMTP stream in

Re: [SAtalk] 404 @ spamassassin.org ...

2002-01-31 Thread Craig Hughes
Thanks for the notice.  Looks like the /doc directory is missing from the website there -- and it looks like jm left me w/out permissions to re-create it.  On the other hand, it looks like it's getting that whole tree out of CVS somehow, so I just have to figure out how, and I should be able to

Re: [SAtalk] Re: announcing documentation on setting up exim withspamassasin

2002-01-31 Thread Nigel Metheringham
On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 07:58, Phillip Deackes wrote: > Since I use Sylpheed, which stores mail in the mh-style format, is there > any way to get Exim to file messages in this way? I know procmail can do > it, but can Exim? Not directly - Mh format is a real hack (basically because of the sequence

[SAtalk] crosspost from spam-l, free webmail filter ideas ....

2002-01-31 Thread Mark Reynolds
X-From_: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 31 14:57:13 2002 Mail-Followup-To: Paul Chvostek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent those of the author. Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:5

Re: [SAtalk] Looking to just delete ...

2002-01-31 Thread Craig Hughes
On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 00:39, Charlie Watts wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > I like the idea of the multi-level thing, but instead of "filing" the > message in folders (making SA an MDA?) I think it'd be better implemented by > sticking alternate tags in the X-

[SAtalk] 404 @ spamassassin.org ...

2002-01-31 Thread Andre Bonhote
Hi there! I just noticed a 404-site not found: http://spamassassin.org/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html Btw, can anybody tell me, how automatic whitelisting works exactly? I didn't find it in the documents ... TIA Andre ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing

Re: [SAtalk] Looking to just delete ...

2002-01-31 Thread Charlie Watts
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > I like the idea of the multi-level thing, but instead of "filing" the > message in folders (making SA an MDA?) I think it'd be better implemented by > sticking alternate tags in the X-Spam-Status header such as: > > 0-5: X-Spam-Status: No > 5-15: X-Sp