Re: [RE-wrenches] Fuse sizing in battery circuits

2013-04-22 Thread Ray Walters
sure I missed something, so hopefully others might join in as well. (motor circuit fusing?) R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 4/22/2013 4:58 PM, Troy Harvey wrote: Ray, One thing I didn't unde

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solarworld SW 165/175 needed

2013-04-24 Thread Ray Walters
HA, HA, HA. you must be joking Sorry Bruce, just we've been in this situation many times over the past few years; It's been a real pain. I actually think the best thing might be to pull some 175s out of service on a system upgrade for one customer in order to use them for other customers'

Re: [RE-wrenches] Stainless Steel Cable Ties

2013-04-25 Thread Ray Walters
Black UV resistant ties only last a few years at altitude in New Mexico and Colorado. UV is brutal, and causes PVC conduit to discolor within 2 years. The zips will actually hold for 10+ years, but aren't really strong. I've come back on my own work, and just yanked on them, and popped them

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-28 Thread Ray Walters
I'd go for using that extra module with the damaged frame. What is the frame damage going to do to the system? Is it bad enough that the module could quit working later (bad edge seal)? The voltage mismatch isn't the end of the world either, but your over all year round performance will be bett

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-29 Thread Ray Walters
Modules aren't exactly constant current devices. They are for much of their voltage range, up to a voltage a bit below the MPP, and then the current starts tapering down to 0 at Voc.  The entire string can only pass as much current as the lowest current mod

[RE-wrenches] TR Inverter Problems

2013-04-30 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Folks: I just finished up another ugly rewire project for a customer that had another"installer" put in a Xantrex TR inverter. We fixed numerous wiring issues, including neutral bonded to ground in 7 different places! The issue we're having now though, is that the TR inverter output voltage

Re: [RE-wrenches] TR Inverter Problems

2013-04-30 Thread Ray Walters
0, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote: Ray, I've got a customer that has the same problem with a dual TR inverter system. When we first complained, Xantrex promised they were working on a fix. That never materialized and now the TR is out of production. It's a lousy product

Re: [RE-wrenches] TR Inverter Problems

2013-05-01 Thread Ray Walters
cs at all they would have killed that line and refunded everyone's dough years ago. Bob-O On Apr 30, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote: Ray, I've got a customer that has the same problem with a dual TR inverter system. When we first complained, Xantrex promised they were work

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wasps

2013-05-02 Thread Ray Walters
Yes, Bethoven's Fifth symphony played backwards at half speed is quite effective. However, the array direct turntable varied in speed with PV insolation, making it hard to predict when the owner should go out to flip the record over. R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Insta

Re: [RE-wrenches] not sure what's going on here

2013-05-10 Thread Ray Walters
I'd echo Bob-O on this and also add that when diagnosing others' work over the phone, it often is completely different issues when you get there. You have no idea if for instance he's actually got the modules wired correctly, he may have a loose connection(s) there, the parallels may all be lo

Re: [RE-wrenches] not sure what's going on here

2013-05-13 Thread Ray Walters
Take a charge controller with you that is sized for that array. R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 5/12/2013 11:57 PM, Ron Young wrote: Hello all and thank you for the illuminating replies. One thing

[RE-wrenches] Lorentz Pumps

2013-05-18 Thread Ray Walters
Greetings Wrenchies; I have had a few inquiries for larger flow rate pumps, and was wondering what the latest on Lorentz pumps was. They show some commercial models with high flow rates (30,000gpd) but I haven't gotten any response from the company directly. I have three questions: Are there

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lorentz Pumps

2013-05-19 Thread Ray Walters
;Mono" hand crank and electric powered pumps in Morocco before it was ETA or Lorentz. I'll talk to Genpro on Monday. Thanks everybody, R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 5/18/2013 6:19 PM, M

Re: [RE-wrenches] FM80

2013-05-24 Thread Ray Walters
You can plug your module specs into this: http://www.midnitesolar.com/sizingTool/index.php to see if the Midnite Classic might work for your configuration. At lower array voltages, the Classic 150 can exceed 2500w arrays. Depending on how critical the reliability of the system is, I often go to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules-American crap?

2013-05-29 Thread Ray Walters
Our only protection at this point is the Wrenches list.  If anybody on the list is seeing premature failures, we need to know.  You folks have saved my tushy many times in the past.  For now, I've stuck mostly with Solar World, and not had problems.  I will not be

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-05-31 Thread Ray Walters
First Solar's thin film is definitely part of the industry's early onset under performance problem. With monocrystalline under $1/watt, I just don't understand why big projects are still going forward with thin film. I would only use thin film for partial shading, or curved, odd shaped surfaces.

Re: [RE-wrenches] SnapNrack

2013-05-31 Thread Ray Walters
We just serviced an old SnapnRack install, and we found the usual: most of the mounts had been over torqued and the SS bolts had spalled. With a bottle of anti-seize and a torque wrench we replaced the damaged hardware and all went well. I like the end clamp that grabs the module from underne

Re: [RE-wrenches] Defective modules

2013-06-02 Thread Ray Walters
First Solar was not performing to warranty within the first 2 years. They supplied more modules, but not the additional land, racking, labor, wiring, etc to make up for the low performance. I've watched thin film companies come and go for 2 decades. As I said before, I think they have they're p

Re: [RE-wrenches] Old Modules for GIT system?

2013-06-04 Thread Ray Walters
Depending on the original work, I'd look at sealed batteries and leave it alone. I've done a bunch of rewires, and you're really wasting the customer's money to rewire 80 watt modules. ( module J boxes are so 1990s) Meanwhile those 80 watt modules have decent resell value for small 12 v sy

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV on Mission Tile

2013-06-07 Thread Ray Walters
I 2nd that idea. I'd just add that we have the tile extend a few inches under the array, and then the roofer doesn't have to come back. It's also a great look, as the Array is just a couple of inches above the tile, so it appears to be almost flush mounted, and the tiles appear to be continuo

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC LEDs

2013-06-08 Thread Ray Walters
I've definitely found several AC only switches burned permanently into the "ON" position, so its a real concern. We use surplus switches removed from old houses that are DC rated. I got a collection from Habitat Restore. They don't say AC only, and are very loud when switched. Pull chain lam

[RE-wrenches] Temp Sensor Compatibility?

2013-06-08 Thread Ray Walters
I'm building a small power control board this weekend, and I have a stupid question: Can Midnite Temp Sensors be used with Trace C40s? They DO plug in. I recall that Outbacks were not compatible. Thanks as always, -- R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Maste

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 690.55 - "maximum operating voltage"

2013-06-11 Thread Ray Walters
This seems like another well meaning but slightly awkward code requirement. I think it would be sufficient to list the nominal battery voltage (very important to know) and then the actual variation in voltage is not going to be too hard to comprehend. Knowing array Voc is also very important.

Re: [RE-wrenches] outback fx service work

2013-06-12 Thread Ray Walters
Take it off the wall, and watch out for the really short wires to the fan on the cover you are removing. R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 6/12/2013 4:16 PM, Todd Cory wrote: wrenches, i have a cus

Re: [RE-wrenches] outback fx service work

2013-06-12 Thread Ray Walters
Outback is hiring tech support personnel: $12 to $14/ hr, no experience necessary. I think more BS is in our future. R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 6/12/2013 4:58 PM, Bob-O Schultze wrote: mucho

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-06-28 Thread Ray Walters
The convention of red for positive and black for negative is not just automotive. It is also used by all battery based inverter manus, all battery companies, and all multimeters. John Wiles also agrees; red = positive, black = negative for ungrounded systems red = positive, white = negative fo

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-06-28 Thread Ray Walters
Richard, when you use your Fluke 87 to measure Vdc, black is negative, red is positive. The black is labeled common because the meter can also be used for current measurements. (I have a Fluke 89) When you start using black wire for positive, it may be allowed by code, but there just isn't a g

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-07-01 Thread Ray Walters
Watch out for accountants who become installers. They always thing red negative and black positive. David Katz Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:40 PM, "Ray Walters" mailto:r...@solarray.com>> wrote: > Richard, when you use your Fluke 87

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-07-01 Thread Ray Walters
ultimeters, battery based inverters) R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 6/30/2013 9:58 AM, Richard L Ratico wrote: Ray, Conductors can be mislabled regardless of the system used. The accident you described h

Re: [RE-wrenches] double insulated wire

2013-07-02 Thread Ray Walters
o switch the circuit over to AC (go Tesla!) R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 7/1/2013 7:46 PM, Richard L Ratico wrote: Ray, I really DO get it. But, after 20 years of mostly working with AC,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Painting rails

2013-07-05 Thread Ray Walters
I concur with both Mike and Richard here: keep the rails because it should look better than all silver; or if the customer insists, change the rails out, and get tough with your supplier that duffed the order. Either way you won't have some nightmare paint peeling in a year call back. If the c

Re: [RE-wrenches] Square D QO breaker DC question

2013-07-09 Thread Ray Walters
We'd need more info to figure this out. 1) Wire Size 2) Type of charge controller C 60 or new MPPT model 3) use a clamp on meter to measure actual current 4) measure voltage drop across the breaker. This very well could just be a loose connection at the breaker either the cable side of the brea

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator recommendation request

2021-10-19 Thread Ray Walters
of before. Another option I have not tried in cold weather, is diesels.  I have clients in warmer places with Kubotas that have offered excellent service.  I have clients in Alaska that love their diesels, but I'm not sure what they've done to cold proof them. Ray Walters Remote So

Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof

2021-10-20 Thread Ray Walters
Is this something else we need to put into our contracts? "Not responsible for sounds due to normal thermal expansion and contraction of racking, modules, and roof". Ray Walters Remote Solar On 10/20/2021 2:58 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: These were Black framed Axitec panels.

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC Rating of Square D QO?

2021-10-25 Thread Ray Walters
mit, their regular breakers are 150 vdc rated. I only use the 300 v rated breakers with the new FM 100 that can take 300 vdc. Ray Walters Remote Solar On 10/25/2021 6:45 PM, Chris Sparadeo wrote: Hi Jeremy, According to the QO cut sheet the answer is 48VDC: https://download.schneider-electric

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fair price for an obsolete component

2021-12-10 Thread Ray Walters
All else fails, I just would go back to the Trace retail, give it a 10% for being used, and call it good.   $165?    no one will complain about that On 12/10/2021 6:42 PM, Jerry Shafer wrote: Truely it depends, if someone is looking and needing that part, the sky is the limit, its its just

Re: [RE-wrenches] 24/7 Water pumping

2022-03-15 Thread Ray Walters
The Midnite Classic can go higher to 72v stock, and they have models that can work with 120 vdc batteries. Ray On 3/15/2022 12:19 PM, larrycrutcher wrote: Hi William, A charge controller may not be needed if you are running the pump direct. By designing the PV array so that the Isc is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Golf Cart as temporary off-grid PV

2022-03-15 Thread Ray Walters
Most carts run at 48vdc these days.  They either have eight 6 volt batteries, or six 8 v batteries.  I would think that would make a good match for power backup with a 4kw range inverter like the Magnum MS4448. Ray On 3/15/2022 12:18 PM, Nick A Lucchese wrote: Not sure what the golf cart

Re: [RE-wrenches] AL wire with DC

2010-07-23 Thread R Ray Walters
& melted beyond use, directly at the splice. The > rubber linemen's tape was charred and there was a direct > short to the metal box which was at least grounded > correctly. I tend not to use Al based on this experience. > > Thanks, Dana Orzel > > Great Solar Works, Inc &

Re: [RE-wrenches] Midnite Magnum E-Panel Unofficial Service Bulletin

2010-07-24 Thread R Ray Walters
I usually recommend retorqueing all connectors once the panel is mounted. Whether its an E-panel or one we built at the shop, those washboard roads can loosen stuff that would never have had a problem otherwise. I'm actually surprised we haven't had more problems like this, even with internal wi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan T-105 non-vented shipping caps?

2010-08-01 Thread R Ray Walters
Bob's idea of strapping them together is good. We do the same thing to move batteries on horrible washboard roads, it definitely keeps them upright. Also, consider the altitude change in flight, as that could pressurize an unvented battery to dangerous levels. You definitely want to keep them ven

Re: [RE-wrenches] White Paper on on the affects of a "snow, melt, refreeze process" (no pun intended)

2010-08-05 Thread R Ray Walters
I'd say that at this point, with all the old solar systems, flat roofs, and snow we get in New Mexico and Colorado, that if it hasn't been a problem, it won't be a problem. It definitely is not going to lift the panels; worst case is that it could build up and get past flashings, which is a prob

Re: [RE-wrenches] Padded equipment cases.

2010-08-12 Thread R Ray Walters
http://www.tecratools.com/ is a decent company to work with. I've been pretty happy with both of my tool cases I've gotten from them. I used the tool back pack for years, and recently got a padded flight case with tool pallets, meters are padded in the bottom. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar

Re: [RE-wrenches] DR2424 inverters charging poorly: three units in two days!

2010-08-19 Thread R Ray Walters
Backwoods sells the buck boost transformers for a reasonable price. I have to add belatedly that as bomb proof as the venerable DRs were, they indeed never charged well from cruddy generators. I had one once that made 0.5 amps at 12 volts DC. The culprit as you already pointed out: Peak voltage w

Re: [RE-wrenches] aluminum wire failure photos

2010-08-21 Thread R Ray Walters
We don't often get to take picture, as the point of failure is hard to find, and the entire underground line is just abandoned and a new cable is installed. Most failures I've seen (not actually seen) were on improperly installed runs, done by DIYers. On the other hand, the majority of undergroun

Re: [RE-wrenches] useful info on wire color coding

2010-08-21 Thread R Ray Walters
Interesting, there isn't a code requirement to color code for phase rotation, but it is common practice for black, red, blue to correspond to clockwise rotation. Also notice on the DC table, that John Wiles recommends (but isn't NEC required) color coding for a positive grounded system: white f

Re: [RE-wrenches] useful info on wire color coding

2010-08-22 Thread R Ray Walters
I found utter world wide confusion upon more research on this issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power has a table that lists color coding for different countries, US is black, red, blue, (common practice), while our neighbors in Canada, use Red, black, blue.☺ Europe is co

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV GEC to the same point as the utilityservice GEC?

2010-08-23 Thread R Ray Walters
I think the issue is that some installers are wanting the supplementary electrode for the array tied to the building grounding system in two places. I saw this in BIll Brooks seminar too, but then he said it wasn't necessary. Basically the EGC system already ties both electrodes together as requ

Re: [RE-wrenches] useful info on wire color coding

2010-08-23 Thread R Ray Walters
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but to summarize this issue: 1) code requires clockwise phase rotation in Panel boards, and AC disconnects, 2) even though it's not code required, it is good practice to tape those wires black, red, blue, again left to right or clockwise. (as long as you're in the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter for fire protection pump

2010-08-27 Thread R Ray Walters
Little beyond a pair of Outbacks, possibly a pair of Magnasine inverters, or a quad stack of Outbacks. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Joel Davidson wrote: > Wrenches, > Our customer has a fire protection pumping system that operates at 240VAC and >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter for fire protection pump

2010-08-27 Thread R Ray Walters
3:52 PM, R Ray Walters wrote: > Little beyond a pair of Outbacks, possibly a pair of Magnasine inverters, or > a quad stack of Outbacks. > > R. Walters > r...@solarray.com > Solar Engineer > > > > > On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Joel Davidson wrote: > >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter for fire protection pump

2010-08-29 Thread R Ray Walters
lay to Outback if the Grid > should fail and it has a generator inlet box if a generator is avaiable to > take the load. > > --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Joel Davidson wrote: > >> From: Joel Davidson >> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter for fire protection pump >>

Re: [RE-wrenches] Arc flash concerns

2010-09-01 Thread R Ray Walters
Oh boy, just when we thought all we had to worry about was getting electrocuted or falling off a roof. The cooked dummy at the end of the last video is a very serious reminder. Besides the arc flash gear, are there other things we should be watching for to prevent this from happening? (we definit

Re: [RE-wrenches] Delta LA's

2010-09-02 Thread R Ray Walters
I know, as Bill pointed out, that the Deltas are supposed to be mounted on the exterior to allow the damage to stay outside of the combiner box. But I've also seen a lot of old Deltas damaged by the sun, and seen them cracked off at the 1/2" nipple attachment point, which then leaves exposed THH

Re: [RE-wrenches] Apparent Micro Inverters

2010-09-04 Thread R Ray Walters
If its a large commercial array, I would consider using larger centralized inverters, and then monitor with National Semiconductor's Solar magic monitoring system. It has string level current taps, so (theoretically at least) you could see a single module failure by the reduced string output. I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wiley Asset

2010-09-08 Thread R Ray Walters
I've used the Pathfinder for decades, so I'm partial to them. Great for on-site discussions of shading issues with the customer, as multiple people can see the shading at the same time on the spot. I've also used their Assistant software, and it works pretty well. You take a photo of the actual

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wiley Asset

2010-09-08 Thread R Ray Walters
> > DayStar Renewable Energy Inc. > b...@daystarsolar.ca > 780-906-7807 > HAVE A SUNNY DAY > > > > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:05:08 -0700 > To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > From: will...@millersolar.com > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Wiley Asset > > B

Re: [RE-wrenches] 48v small controllers

2010-09-11 Thread R Ray Walters
The nice folks at BZ Products have made me small custom voltage controllers before, for just that application. Prices, as I recall were less than a C40, and much smaller footprint/ weight, which is an issue on a mobile application. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Sep 10, 2010

Re: [RE-wrenches] 48v small controllers

2010-09-12 Thread R Ray Walters
om/solar-energy.htm Good Luck, R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Sep 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, jay peltz wrote: > Hi Ray, > > Specialty concepts makes a sealed 48v unit that I'm trying to find who I can > order on. > > The C-40 is a good option, but I r

Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of WEEB

2010-09-12 Thread R Ray Walters
A picture is worth a thousand words, (hopefully this will upload) Here's a traditional Ilsco Lug after less than 5 years near the ocean: <> IMHO, this is a galvanic reaction between the Cu, Al, and (our loser) the Lug which became the anode. No other corrosion was near this state of deterioration

Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of WEEB

2010-09-13 Thread R Ray Walters
; > Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President > California Solar Engineering, Inc. > 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 > CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 > peter.parr...@calsolareng.com > Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 > > > > -Original Mes

Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of Reason

2010-09-13 Thread R Ray Walters
cking plate. Is this also a voltage issue, for arrays over 250 v? I'm sure I'm missing something. I recall you once saying that UL doesn't even use the grounding hole when testing modules, that they just clamped an alligator clip to the frame? Thanks for giving us the "NEC and

[RE-wrenches] Array Grounding Ailments (was WEEB)

2010-09-13 Thread R Ray Walters
September 12, 2010 6:50 pm > To: "'RE-wrenches'" > > Are you sure that's a ILSCO GBL-4DBT lug? I am pretty sure the set screw is > not SS, which it should be to be the genuine part. > > - Peter > > > Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President > Ca

[RE-wrenches] Array Grounding (was WEEB)

2010-09-14 Thread R Ray Walters
Maybe this should be on the NABCEP test. R. Walters On Sep 13, 2010, at 8:04 PM, benn kilburn wrote: > Hopefully any crew installing PV, and familiar with this debate (which they > should be) can easily distinguish between the GBL-4 and the GBL-4DBT. The > weight difference is quite noticeabl

Re: [RE-wrenches] Delta LAs

2010-09-14 Thread R Ray Walters
You could buy several ground rods for the cost of one Delta. Ground Impedance is the real issue. Both the Delta and the Polyphasor need a good ground to work. While I haven't seen much of a correlation between Deltas and reduced lightning damage, (lots of system damage with and without) I have fo

Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC for Enphase inverters

2010-09-14 Thread R Ray Walters
HI BIll; I'm still slightly confused: I think you are saying that the #8 can go straight to the service panel grounding buss? (as per 690.47(C)6&8) What about 690.47 (D) that requires an array ground to go to a supplemental electrode installed "as close as practicable to the array." For

Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC for Enphase inverters

2010-09-14 Thread R Ray Walters
It seems to me that William's original question of where does the EGC stop, and the GEC begin, all depends on whether the Enphase inverters bond negative to ground internally. Did we ever get an answer from Enphase? If they don't, then I think by definition in article 100, we would only have an

Re: [RE-wrenches] Delta LAs

2010-09-14 Thread R Ray Walters
My own limited field experience in lightning country (New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Texas, Oklahoma), has definitely proven your point. Grounding and testing of the grounding system is the first line of attack against lightning. Also, showing an insurance company (and the customer) ground impeda

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lightning protection (was Delta LA's)

2010-09-14 Thread R Ray Walters
grid measurements. R. Walters On Sep 14, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Dave Palumbo wrote: > What Ray Walters said was the truth. Resistance to ground should be very low. > How many dollars is that tester you use Ray? We don’t own one. On the wish

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lightning protection (was Delta LA's)

2010-09-15 Thread R Ray Walters
Amprobe's lowest range is .025 to .25 ohm. The lowest reading I've seen was .95 ohm on a commercial building in Hawaii. Ray On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:25 AM, Darryl Thayer wrote: > If you are doing Off Grid is it enough just to drive two ground rods? and > make a connection bet

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Module Match Question

2010-09-17 Thread R Ray Walters
HI Allan; I found the 175s play very well when mixed with the 165s on an MX 60. We've done it several times. What's interesting is that the Solarworlds often outperform their nameplate rating, I've seen the 165s close to the 175 numbers. Essentially they're all the same module, just flash tests

Re: [RE-wrenches] Protecting the Installer

2010-09-25 Thread R Ray Walters
I agree Nick, that's what the wrenches list is for: to protect our fellow wrenches and our customers. If Solar CIty is taking the business, they better be able to take the heat. I'm very concerned that they are not hiring experienced designers. They're about to give the whole industry a black ey

Re: [RE-wrenches] deadly fall off of roof

2010-09-25 Thread R Ray Walters
At one point at the top, he has both hands free, while he messes with the lanyard. At another point he "ties off" by just hooking the lanyard to the ladder rung, but its open on the side, allowing the hook to slide off the end. I'm glad you let us know that was "not an approved climbing method".

Re: [RE-wrenches] UL and Grid-tied Battery Back Up Systems

2010-10-07 Thread R Ray Walters
I take the generator concern one step further: We had a "solar dealer" selling Y2K generator specials that included a Male to Male extension cord! Just plug that bad boy into any outlet and fire the whole place (and the utility line) up. I confiscated one of these cables, and show it to new inspe

Re: [RE-wrenches] SolarWorld 245

2010-10-13 Thread R Ray Walters
My long field experience with Solarworld modules measured in conjunction with an irradiance meter, shows that they do consistently out perform their STC ratings. Of course that's not a "take it to the bank" lab test. I've also seen Sunpower outperform its STC ratings. R. Walters r...@solarray.c

Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator auto start

2010-10-15 Thread R Ray Walters
I still haven't found a substitute for the venerable SW series inverters from Trace/ Xantrex/ Schneider?. Even after the Outback inverters came out, I still used the SWs for autostart projects. Otherwise it was just too much hassle. 90% of my generator projects,though, I talked the customer into

Re: [RE-wrenches] BAKERSFIELD FIRE former "Target fire"

2010-10-19 Thread R Ray Walters
was under the impression that they had to have positive bonded to ground to function properly. Your proposed "Temporary Ground Lift" circuit would probably be the best way for Sunpower modules? Thanks for your always thorough education of us numb nuts in the field, Ray Walters >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery polarity check

2010-10-19 Thread R Ray Walters
I can confirm at least one reverse marked battery as well; another reason I hammer everyone on my projects to confirm polarity with a multimeter, and mark the wires as John Wiles has advocated: Red = Positive, Black = negative for ungrounded systems Red = positive, white = negative for neg ground

Re: [RE-wrenches] The perfect solar ready roof

2010-10-19 Thread R Ray Walters
Corrugated is really a pain to flash, but the ProPanel type roofing is really easy to work with. It has large (6 to 8"? wide) sections to put mounting feet down on. Only problem is if the rafter you need, ends up falling under a metal ridge. Snow slides off metal roofs all at once in big clumps,

Re: [RE-wrenches] BAKERSFIELD FIRE

2010-10-19 Thread R Ray Walters
s, if it was within the realm of us wrenches. Thanks, Ray On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Bill Brooks wrote: > Ray, > > The reason I mentioned resistively grounded systems is that anything requires > a ground, like SunPower, could use a resistive ground instead of being > ung

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread R Ray Walters
Hi Jay; I'd second (3rd, 4th?) everyone else's comments that it probably isn't a good idea. I'd add that the diode will eat at least a volt, so that's not good for MPPT, or balancing. The one possible way to do this, might be to use a Vanner battery equalizer, which is designed to split an inco

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread R Ray Walters
P Certified Photovoltaic Installer > EE98J Journeyman Electrician > Positive Energy, Inc. > 3201 Calle Marie > Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 > 505 424-1112 > www.positiveenergysolar.com > > On 10/20/2010 11:58 AM, jay peltz wrote: >> >> Hi Ray et all, >> &g

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Placement

2010-10-22 Thread R Ray Walters
Why does the side mounted breakers make the Midnite non compliant? Apparently I missed Robin's post on that. Or do I not want to know? Thanks, R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer > . Midnite enclosures, with the breakers on the sides, are not compliant, as > Robin has acknowledged, but

Re: [RE-wrenches] The perfect solar ready roof

2010-10-22 Thread R Ray Walters
I agree with Phil's always excellent posts, except for the quote below. > On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Phil Undercuffler wrote: > >> risk splitting the top chord of the beam. If you split that, I would >> immediately stop what you're doing and consult with the I-beam manufacturer. >> Big lia

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery cell shorting

2010-10-23 Thread R Ray Walters
Hi Nathan; I agree that too many strings can cause problems, as you mentioned, but I've seen 2 major problems with single battery strings, too: 1) A single cell failure, or corroded connection takes the entire system out of commission. 2) Most batteries do not have enough current to meet the s

Re: [RE-wrenches] 2011 NEC Code book with Handbook on CD ROM

2010-10-25 Thread R Ray Walters
How is the CD version for 2008? Is it easier to look stuff up (ie indexed better)? I've never tried anything but the hard copies. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Oct 25, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Matt Lafferty wrote: > Hi Drake, > > 2011 NEC is available now in Looseleaf (3-Ring bin

Re: [RE-wrenches] Protection against birds

2010-10-25 Thread R Ray Walters
I've worked on a couple of commercial projects where birds were trouble. On one, we would clean the array, and in less than a week, it would have crap all over it. Definitely dropped output. An owl decoy seemed to not have much effect. On another project, they had installed the high frequency sou

Re: [RE-wrenches] Need SDHW Flexible Tubing recommendation

2010-10-28 Thread R Ray Walters
HI Allan; I just recently used some flexible stainless steel line on an old radiator/ boiler system here. It had special fittings, that I was a little dubious of at first, but it all worked well, and was easy to install. I believe it was the Easy flex product. The only problem I encountered, was

Re: [RE-wrenches] Are Thick Plate Batteries Worth the Price?

2010-10-29 Thread R Ray Walters
The large batteries as everyone else noted are definitely the way to go on off grid systems. You are strengthening the weakest link. However, consider 2 parallel strings. I no longer consider a single string to be optimum, after having a large pump on a pair of Outback inverters cause low volta

Re: [RE-wrenches] warranty liabilities

2010-11-01 Thread R Ray Walters
Nick; How many of the failures are polycrystalline vs. mono? Both Solarex (then later BP) had failures of their poly stuff, are those the ones you are referring too? Photowatt comes to mind I've had my best luck though with the Made in USA monocrystalline. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar

Re: [RE-wrenches] Expected Life of DR2424

2010-11-03 Thread R Ray Walters
I've seen inverters do just fine under construction of the house. As long as it isn't being overloaded every day. As for bad connections, if the main DC connects aren't tight, you can get enough heat to melt the plastic insulators, and then it can short to the case. I can send you an ugly picture

Re: [RE-wrenches] low batteries with a sunny island

2010-11-17 Thread R Ray Walters
C40 charge controllers used to have that problem too; if battery voltage dropped so low that it didn't think it had a battery to charge, the whole system just sits there crashed, batteries sulfating, sun shining(customer stewing) I'd just charge them on a 12 v automotive charger, 2 at a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Strawbale wall penetration

2010-11-20 Thread R Ray Walters
I'd just be worried about the rebar blowing the plaster out, when it comes out the other side. We welded a drill bit to the end of the rebar. Once we're through with our rebar/ bit thing, we use diamond grit hole saws to make a clean hole in the plaster. I've been eyeing the Lenox carbide hole s

Re: [RE-wrenches] Seeking tool belt advice

2010-11-28 Thread R Ray Walters
HI Allan; I converted years ago to a single clip-on leather pouch from Texas hold um. This one pouch holds my needle nose, 9" line's man pliers, wire stripper/ crimper, 10" channel locks, dike cutter, utility knife, mini screw driver, and the Klein multi-tip screw driver. I found walking around

[RE-wrenches] Battery Cable REvistied

2010-11-29 Thread R Ray Walters
HI All; I have struggled for years to get the right battery cable; in the old, old days we used welding cable, which was better than THHN, but not with the AHJs. Then we used a SAE battery cable with 532 strands that was ideal, but not UL listed. Next we used Cobra X flex, but at over 2000 stran

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cable REvistied

2010-11-30 Thread R Ray Walters
per in the X-flex. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Nov 29, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Glenn Burt wrote: > Hi Ray, > > I have for my last 2 battery jobs used the Cobra X-Flex in 2/0 size with MTW > rating. > > At the battery end I have found the Thomas & Betts

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cable REvistied

2010-11-30 Thread R Ray Walters
t; > > From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org > [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Burt > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 6:03 PM > To: 'RE-wrenches' > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cable REvistied > > Hi Ray, &

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Cable REvistied

2010-11-30 Thread R Ray Walters
ulation on motor windings and frames. Sprays are available in > clear, red or black.” > > The local Home Depot carries it here, also some electrical distributors. > > > From: R Ray Walters > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 9:26 AM > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: Re: [RE-

Re: [RE-wrenches] To insulate a battery bank DEPENDS on a lot of factors.

2010-12-14 Thread R Ray Walters
One AHJ actually got me on this with sealed batteries. I've blown the seal out overcharging a sealed battery too, so this is a real possibility. The venting requirements are not near as stringent though as for a flooded cell. Article 480 says we need to prevent the build up of explosive gases, w

Re: [RE-wrenches] To insulate a battery bank DEPENDS on a lot of factors.

2010-12-14 Thread R Ray Walters
I'll agree with you, Dana, although I think setting the batteries in the ground will help in more of the cases. Battery optimum temperature is actually lower than the standard test temp of 25C (77F). When you overlay the graph showing increased cycle life of batteries at lower temps with the ca

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