On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, stevep33 wrote:
> I sold my Rambouillet and AHH. I got a Boulder Brevet (700c) and
> liked it so much that I just picked up a Boulder 650b frameset.
>
You can count me as someone who has benefited from those who have chosen
something other than a riv. I bought S
It is, and it's a modest up-charge.
I shortened the top tube on my new 650b by a cm, but I think it was
actually unnecessary now that I have the bike. This just confirms
that I don't need custom sizing.
All this said, Riv sets the bar very high in terms of getting the
details right every time, an
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 07:18 -0700, stevep33 wrote:
> I sold my Rambouillet and AHH. I got a Boulder Brevet (700c) and
> liked it so much that I just picked up a Boulder 650b frameset. The
> main improvement, IMO, is the lighter tubing which makes for a
> livelier ride and the low trail geometry.
I sold my Rambouillet and AHH. I got a Boulder Brevet (700c) and
liked it so much that I just picked up a Boulder 650b frameset. The
main improvement, IMO, is the lighter tubing which makes for a
livelier ride and the low trail geometry. I am liking the plain-ness
of these TIG frames too. That
One of Tom's forks will be a thing of beauty and a fine ride. His design
solution will keep the frame level if you want, and be designed with any
features you like. One consequence is that the brake reach will increase,
possibly past the point where a caliper can be used. This isn't Tom's
fault,
Bumping this thread to show my new custom Saluki replacement! Looking
forward to picking it up, building it up, and rolling it around...B-)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/5987496619/in/photostream
Color is based on the ginger paint on the first generation Salsa
Cassaroll--hope it lo
Joe, it sounds like you've gone through a recumbent/upright process not
unlike mine. And it looks like we've ended up in about the same place. A
trike and a Riv...not a bad way to go. lol
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I sold my Romulus to convert to recumbents. Bought a couple of 2-wheelers,
then a trike, sold the 2-wheel bents, now resupplying with a few Craigslist
"upright" bikes, and thinking about getting a Hunqapillar or Sam. I'm
keeping the trike!
Joe Bernard
Fairfield, CA.
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Hi Joe,
I had a GT3, too! A blue one. Then I sold it, and got an ICE S. Then sold
that, and got a Catrike Road.
Notice the somewhat disturbing pattern? Buy-Sell, Buy-Sell, Buy-Sell. But,
I have settled down, and have had my Catrike for the past 5 years. In
retrospect, the GT3 was still t
I have a trike, too, a Greenspeed GT3. Every rider should try one.
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I built my own because I loved the idea of my Rambouillet, but it didn't fit
me all that well.
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Don't know if I talked about it much here, but I do like to test new ideas
in bikes before jumping in. I'm not generally conservative, but I am an
engineer, and tend to approach complex concepts a piece at a time. Chunk it
up, then solve the chunks. There are always several excellent examples of
I bought a Grant-designed, Curt Goodrich-built, Joe Bell-painted
custom, road standard in 2001 and it remains just a fantastic road
bike. I am a normal enough body shape that I did not need a custom.
But what I got for the money and wait, ware dimensions and a tubing
set chosen for me and my riding
Well said, Steve, and I couldn't agree more.
Like most here, I rode a bike when I was a kid and loved it. When I got to
around high school age, I pretty much forgot about riding and was busy with
too many other "important" things that high schoolers pursue. It wasn't
until I was in my 40's, w
I have a Custom Rivendell Road and got a Panasonic at a yard sale (pics to
follow) instead of another Rivendell because the 61cm pink Panasonic was
extremely cheap, fit me, makes a good commuter bike, and I like to tinker."
Of course, I'll "rivendellize" the Panasonic. If I were going to purc
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 14:49 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote:
> I've been waiting about 6 months for the fork. Several extenuating
> circumstances: delayed design discussions, US shortage of acetylene,
> and several family health issues, but the intricacy of the design was
> certainly an issue.
>
>
> I
I've been waiting about 6 months for the fork. Several extenuating
circumstances: delayed design discussions, US shortage of acetylene, and
several family health issues, but the intricacy of the design was certainly
an issue.
I like little enchiladas.
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Steve Palin
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 14:25 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> > I'm glad I got to experiment with low trail by way of a Kogswell P/R. I
> > don't think I'd have the patience to wait as long as you're going to
> > have to wait for that experimenta
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> I'm glad I got to experiment with low trail by way of a Kogswell P/R. I
> don't think I'd have the patience to wait as long as you're going to
> have to wait for that experimental conversion fork. Which would have
> been too bad, because
I'm glad I got to experiment with low trail by way of a Kogswell P/R. I
don't think I'd have the patience to wait as long as you're going to
have to wait for that experimental conversion fork. Which would have
been too bad, because low trail is, as they used to say long ago and far
away, the cat'
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 06:37 -0700, Mike wrote:
> "As far as new rando-style frames, I'm also looking at Boxdog Pelican
> and
> Boulder, and hoping more information comes out regarding the
> under-development Rawland Nordavinden in both steel and Ti (so far
> Rawland
> have used Lynskey to build the
Grant, if you're reading this, why not consider bringing back the
Blériot/Saluki? Maybe not the same exact framesets, but another 650b in a
full spectrum of sizes, with a high quality/cost ratio (and forget about the
alternate distribution channels on the B). A recurrent theme here is that
th
To go along with your original post, I got a Surly Long Haul Trucker instead
of a Rivendell Atlantis because at the time I simply could not afford an
Atlantis. After quite a bit of research I found allot of people comparing
the 2 bikes as of similar purpose and function. I was dreaming of an
At
The Boulder bike got a great review in BQ.
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On Jul 23, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Mike wrote:
> "As far as new rando-style frames, I'm also looking at Boxdog Pelican
> and
> Boulder, and hoping more information comes out regarding the
> under-development Rawland Nordavinden in both st
"As far as new rando-style frames, I'm also looking at Boxdog Pelican
and
Boulder, and hoping more information comes out regarding the
under-development Rawland Nordavinden in both steel and Ti (so far
Rawland
have used Lynskey to build their Ti products). "
I get the impression that the Boulder B
Seth, I'm going down that path exactly. I'm having a low-trail fork built
for my 1984 Trek 610 to try it. With cheaper materials it's quoted around
$200 painted, with rather stout Dediaccia blades and a crown that fits. We
looked at the Heine-offerred blades, and with crown they cost nearly what
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 14:45 -0700, chadk wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > The last time I looked at the Boulder Bicycles website, they were
> > > selling low trail forks for $300 or $350. I can't find them now; they
> > > may be out, they may be in the online store, which is closed until
> > > August 3, or
I started out with a Rambouillet, later got a Hilsen and then
purchased a used QB frame. I sold the Rambouillet and was gonna use
the money from that for a Hunqa or Hillborne. What I really wanted was
an Atlantis but then other expenses hit and I just got an LHT frame
which I'm very very happy with
> wrote:
> > The last time I looked at the Boulder Bicycles website, they were
> > selling low trail forks for $300 or $350. I can't find them now; they
> > may be out, they may be in the online store, which is closed until
> > August 3, or it might be because the site is... retro.
>
> Hi Philip.
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 17:35 -0700, EricP wrote:
> Totally jealous of that weather. Just about 90 with high humidity
> today. A strenuous ride home.
Oh, if it were only 90. It was over 100 today, heat index around 110,
in metro DC.
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Totally jealous of that weather. Just about 90 with high humidity
today. A strenuous ride home.
Back to topic - did remember another non-Riv "instead of" that
happened. Last year ended up with a Salsa Fargo instead of a
Hunqapillar. Was not going to buy another bike after backing out on
the Ri
I don't think a Riv and/or any other bike are mutually exclusive.
I love my Protovelo because its a Riv through-and-through in frame
design and parts selection. Its a country bike in the best sense, and
my touring and commuting rig, too. It rides like a Cadillac - stable
and big. It begs me to en
Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:19 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
> > Seth, you could get a custom fork made for a lot less to check out the low
> > trail thing.
> >
> > Could be a fun experiment!
> >
>
> From where? By Whom? I'm completely made of ears if someone has a suggestion.
>
Tom
I confess to a similar temptation/line of thought. After my second
Riv purchase (Atlantis), I realized the first (Bleriot) was on the
small side. My fault, not RBW's - my pbh measurement was off when I
got the Bleriot. I loved the Bleriot, and didn't want to part with it,
but was riding the Atlan
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Philip Williamson
wrote:
> The last time I looked at the Boulder Bicycles website, they were
> selling low trail forks for $300 or $350. I can't find them now; they
> may be out, they may be in the online store, which is closed until
> August 3, or it might be beca
The last time I looked at the Boulder Bicycles website, they were
selling low trail forks for $300 or $350. I can't find them now; they
may be out, they may be in the online store, which is closed until
August 3, or it might be because the site is... retro.
I think it makes more sense to get a com
I think Rivendell ownership generally works like this: If you didn't get a
custom first, you probably won't. I think it is more likely that someone who
has already invested big dollars in a custom will later pop for a less
expensive production "second Rivendell", than a production first-timer wi
Pretty sure Bob Brown moved to Wisconsin, although he is still
building bikes.
As to being "disloyal" will be painted guilty. Sold my Atlantis,
which was too small, and almost sold my Hillborne. Both in cases of
"want". Purchased a Surly Cross Check this year because I wanted a
bike that could
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 10:12 -0700, hobie wrote:
> Steve. Maybe you are correct about the livelier feel of lighter gauge
> tubing. But will a lighter frame absorb rode shock like the heavier
> gauge?
More flexible frames are springier, heavier gauge tubing is stiffer.
> Part of the reason I li
Give Bilenkey or Royal H a call. Those are two East Coast builders that pop
into mind. Bob Brown is in MPLS. MAP or Ahearne or another of the PDX
builders. Heck, Nobilette might as well. Drop 'em an email saying what you
want to do and find one that seems kinda' excited about it.
On Fri, Ju
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:19 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
> Seth, you could get a custom fork made for a lot less to check out the low
> trail thing.
>
> Could be a fun experiment!
>
>From where? By Whom? I'm completely made of ears if someone has a suggestion.
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Seth, you could get a custom fork made for a lot less to check out the low
trail thing.
Could be a fun experiment!
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Frank wrote:
> > Well said Brian. I remember years ago when you were thinking about a
> > n
The new stuff..custom or not...doesn't interest me that much (my
Rambo and Bleriot are truly all the bike I need). However, put this in
front of my face and the cold sweats begin
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On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Frank wrote:
> Well said Brian. I remember years ago when you were thinking about a
> new bike and you came by the house to ride mine. We met through a
> mutual work acquaintance, and I felt a bit odd in revealing that I had
> a number of Rivendell bikes in the g
Well said Brian. I remember years ago when you were thinking about a
new bike and you came by the house to ride mine. We met through a
mutual work acquaintance, and I felt a bit odd in revealing that I had
a number of Rivendell bikes in the garage given that I didn't know you
that well (nor you I
Just to be totally upfront with everyone; my words about the ego wants
wanting more than it wants having are lifted from Eckhardt Tolle. They just
ring very true. I could also have quoted my good friend Zed, who, after
decades of AA practice, is fond of reminding me: "Happiness consists of
wa
Steve. Maybe you are correct about the livelier feel of lighter gauge
tubing. But will a lighter frame absorb rode shock like the heavier
gauge? Part of the reason I like my bikes is that when you do get them
up to speed they feel extremely stable. I didn't feel that way on the
Ramboullet that I ow
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 09:42 -0700, hobie wrote:
> I own a 58cm 650b Saluki Toyo and a 52cm Waterford Bombadil and can't
> imagine a custom Riv is going to ride any better.
I haven't paid much attention to the range of choices available with Riv
customs. Perhaps you know: if you wanted either ult
I think you are buying a Riv frame because of it's ride. Grant even says
that if you absolutley need a custom they will design it for you using a
custom frame builder. Nobillette,Waterford (present),Goodrich, Stark
(past) I own a 58cm 650b Saluki Toyo and a 52cm Waterford Bombadil and can't
ima
I love how my Rambouillet rides and looks. It does great in the dirt and is
fast on the road. The only Riv I'd probably switch it for is a Hilsen just
to get the extra room for big tires as I love mixed terrain rides. But
there are some bike features I wanted in other bikes that Riv does not
Hopefully I won't try out that bike-tree collabo too soon, although I seem
to be doing my best!
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:44 AM, dougP wrote:
> "'m not worried about the thought of wrapping it around a tree up in
> the
> > mountains."
>
> On two wheels, the concept of a "total" becomes highly pe
Nicely stated.
I've considered getting a custom Riv, but am really, really quite
happy with my '03 51 cm Atlantis. It's mainly my commute bike, but now
that I'm between gigs, I'm enjoying it as my main (and only) bike for
daily rides around Seattle and occasional centuries before I start
getting i
"'m not worried about the thought of wrapping it around a tree up in
the
> mountains."
On two wheels, the concept of a "total" becomes highly personal; none
of that "tree wrapping", David! You'd hit the tree long before the
bike.
dougP
On Jul 22, 8:00 am, cyclotourist wrote:
> I went in the o
Way back when, I was going to buy a custom Rivendell specifically for
touring, with S&S couplers and some other touring goodies. I didn't
have any special geometric or sizing needs. In the process of wrking
it all out, they said the bike would basically be a coupled Atlantis,
& how much did I rea
Not too insulting. In fact, Leslie, I have compared us to Orvis in
print already, I think within the past years, but I don't know where.
When I started fly-fishing at 11, my dad got me an LL Bean glass rod
starter outfit, and soon learned about Orvis, and a guy I knew (Hal
Jannsen, google him) fish
I went in the opposite direction and bought a rigid Karate Monkey instead of
a Bombadil. Complete bike for less than the cost of the frame, and I'm not
worried about the thought of wrapping it around a tree up in the
mountains. And I sold my Quickbeam to finance it! Although I kinda'
regret le
I don't think it's so hard to imagine buying a bike from someone other than
Riv. Are we all really sharing our justifications for "cheating" on Riv with
another company? :)
First, I am what seems to be an atypical Riv owner, at least based on this
group. My Sam is by far the nicest (and, by a fa
Back in the bubble days, I got a Riv Custom and a Hampsten Tournesol.
Douglas Brooks was the 'spiritual advisor' for the project. Steve was great
I ordered the Tournesol and the Riv at about the same time.
Received the Tournesol first and it is great bike.
For me though, the Riv is even better.
TRICK MOORE
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Well put and accurate! -- as I can verify from inveterate personal experience.
Patrick "now I want ..." Moore
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:08 AM,
I currently own a Roadeo. I was considering a AHH but then decided to
go custom and got a Capricorn. For pretty much the same price as the
AHH I got custom geo and braze-on Racers. Can't comment on how it
rides yet as I haven't built it up. http://flic.kr/p/9KevBD
On Jul 21, 10:42 pm, cm wrote:
>
Well put and accurate! -- as I can verify from inveterate personal experience.
Patrick "now I want ..." Moore
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> Two contradictory pieces of learned wisdom about this.
> First, the ego wants wanting more than it wants having. So, as soon as
I currently own three Rivs (a Heron Road, a Rambouillet and a
Quickbeam) and I'd have a hard time parting with any of them. Having
said that, I did recently sell my Saluki in favor of a similar custom,
with the geometry tweaked more to my preferences.
Every new Riv model seems to get a 1/2 degree
Two contradictory pieces of learned wisdom about this.
First, the ego wants wanting more than it wants having. So, as soon as we
satisfy a want, the ego move on to wanting something else. If that weren't
true our consumer driven economy would pretty much collapse. Three months
after getting
I was able to get a fully custom Coho frame/fork built in my home
state for almost 1/2 the price of a non-custom Riv. For one reason or
another less and less Riv frames are appealing to me. All things
considered ($$, double top tubes) the only frame left that I would
consider is the Atlantis.
I had a steel road bike and mountain bike back in the day - early 80's
Raleigh and early 90's Specialized. Then I went aluminum for a while. Bad
move. When I wanted a comfortable "road" commuter, I looked for steel, and
looked at the Surly/Salsa/Jamis bikes, as well as other "new steel" genre,
b
Maybe an analogy
When I first started fly fishing, I bought the 'intro' level Orvis rod.
Good rod, but, wasn't long until I was eyeing other rods, like Winston,
Sage... Orvis had a lot more expensive rods, I didn't want to go that far
up the scale, so I thought I could find better than t
Apples and oranges.
A Kirk frameset will cost as much or more than a complete production
Rivendell.
That said - if someone is looking to spend that kind of money, a
custom Riv just becomes another option among the many custom builders.
As far as admissions, I bought my All-Rounder after my Kirk
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