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2011-03-18 Thread Jim M.
Did anyone notice Jim's post: http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/0c06f267e731afc7?hl=en ? This thread should fade away. Let it go; you're not going to convince each other. Anyone get a new bike lately? How about lovely spring rides? All the rain in Walnut Creek

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2011-03-18 Thread GeorgeS
The law reports have many examples of a kind of case, usually catoragized under "nuisance", involving low risk, but high damage situations: people who keep bears or tigers as pets in urban settings, the guy who manufactures liquid rocket fuel in his garage, the list is endless. Someone claiming th

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2011-03-17 Thread Mike S
"Freedom of choice is what you got. Freedom from choice is what you want." - Devo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVGINIsLnqU On Mar 17, 12:07 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Glad to spread light and happiness. Seriously, congratulations. > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Scott Postlewait wrote: >

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2011-03-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Glad to spread light and happiness. Seriously, congratulations. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Scott Postlewait wrote: > Thanks for the link Patrick! I rarely read BSNYC, but clicked on your link > and was scrolling down at lunch, and in his recap of the Seattle Bicycle > Expo there's a pictur

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2011-03-16 Thread Scott Postlewait
Thanks for the link Patrick! I rarely read BSNYC, but clicked on your link and was scrolling down at lunch, and in his recap of the Seattle Bicycle Expo there's a picture of my Rawland cSogn - wood fenders, black saddlebag, shellacked handlebar tape Scott "what are the chances of that?"

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2011-03-16 Thread Ariel Bautista
Isn't the argument essentially circular though? Those against helmet- wearing argue so in an ultimate attempt to expand ridership and therefore strengthen the demand on cities to provide adequate infrastructure. Those who argue for helmet-wearing are simply addressing the reality that most roads ar

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2011-03-16 Thread michael
On Mar 15, 8:03 pm, eflayer wrote: > not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot > air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view > about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is: > > http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-ande

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2011-03-16 Thread lukemcg
To each their own. I ride with a helmet. I ski with a helmet. Will either save me from a catastrophic collision? Unlikely. Could they mean the difference between a slight concussion and a brain bleed leading to death. Does wearing a helmet cause me to think that I am somehow immortal or imper

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2011-03-16 Thread Rambouilleting Utahn
On Mar 16, 5:11 pm, Kris wrote: > Everyone else is chiming in.so. > > Anyone been on the ski slopes recently?  Talk about creating a market > out of nothing!  I don't know ANYONE who has ever taken a serious > knock while skiing, but suddenly 30%+ of the market is wearing a > shell. > >

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2011-03-16 Thread Anne Paulson
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:18 PM, RonaTD wrote: Individuals don't get to benefit from the law of large > numbers to even out the severity distribution, especially because it > only takes one incident to put the individual in the right-censored > part of the distribution. This sounds like a misa

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2011-03-16 Thread cyclotourist
Egads people, start your own google group already. You can call it "Bicycle Helmet Discussion: Is syrofoam for you?" It's quite easy and fun. Really, give it a try. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, se

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2011-03-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 19:18 -0700, RonaTD wrote: > > On Mar 16, 11:10 am, Jan Heine wrote: > > At Bicycle Quarterly, we are considering looking at the statistics > > and figuring out whether helmets make riding safer, whether risk > > compensation really is a factor, etc > > As somebody who make

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2011-03-16 Thread RonaTD
On Mar 16, 11:10 am, Jan Heine wrote: > At Bicycle Quarterly, we are considering looking at the statistics > and figuring out whether helmets make riding safer, whether risk > compensation really is a factor, etc As somebody who makes his living being dangerous with statistics, let me gently wa

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2011-03-16 Thread charlie
On helmet effectiveness: If you weigh over 150 pounds, fall from a height greater than a meter, go faster than about 14 mph or hit any surface that is not flat, your helmet may not work for you. For minor bumps they are better than nothing but pretty useless against heavy impacts. On cycling increa

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2011-03-16 Thread Tim McNamara
On Mar 16, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: >> Bottom line, I don't care what statistics show, either in favor or >> against, nor will I EVER. I will ignore them over my own gut intuition That stance is always at some risk of becoming "I know what I know, don't confuse me with the facts."

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2011-03-16 Thread Robert F. Harrison
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:40 PM, James Valiensi wrote: > One thing wearing a helmet will protect you from, is having to listen to > folks to tell you should have a helmet on. > There is that, and my other favorite reason for wearing a helmet. I commute a lot and end up riding at night on city st

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2011-03-16 Thread rob markwardt
You never know when you'll need one. http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/4925175273/ PS. If you tell me walking is more dangerous than cycling I kind of tune out everything else you saywhat did he say? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

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2011-03-16 Thread Ray Shine
Y my fault. From: Bruce To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason Bike crashes are not fun. Mine was like slo-mo, and my head whipped down hard onto the asphalt. My helm

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2011-03-16 Thread NickBull
If you could carry a magic, gold thread that weighs a microgram and costs a penny for a hundred of them and would cut the rate of serious or fatal injuries by 99%, would you do it? What if it only cut the injury rate by 1%? Keep in mind -- it's only a penny per hundred, and only a microgram. You

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2011-03-16 Thread Travis
Also, while out riding today. I was passed by a carload of four teenage boys. As they passed, one reached way out of the window, grabbed my shirt at the shoulder and tried to yank me to the ground. It didn't work (though I ended up in a confrontation with all of them after giving them the fingers),

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2011-03-16 Thread Bruce
: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason Ann, Unfortunately evidence like that is unquantifiable, so we'll never see it. It's impossible to say for sure how bad an injury "could have been." They only way to prove it to yourself is to have a close call in which your h

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2011-03-16 Thread Travis
Ann, Unfortunately evidence like that is unquantifiable, so we'll never see it. It's impossible to say for sure how bad an injury "could have been." They only way to prove it to yourself is to have a close call in which your helmet gets destroyed but you walk away fine. This happened to me and tur

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2011-03-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB
DOH, my bad Thanks, William (and apologies for starting rumors... Miranda is alive and well) You very funny... On Mar 16, 8:39 pm, William wrote: > "How about Miranda Richardson, for starters " > > MBB translation App INITIATE! > > When Montclair said Miranda, he meant Natasha > > MBB

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2011-03-16 Thread James Valiensi
One thing wearing a helmet will protect you from, is having to listen to folks to tell you should have a helmet on. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: >> Bottom line, I don't care what statistics show, either in favor

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2011-03-16 Thread William
"How about Miranda Richardson, for starters " MBB translation App INITIATE! When Montclair said Miranda, he meant Natasha MBB translation App TERMINATE! On Mar 16, 5:33 pm, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > Kris:   How about Miranda Richardson, for starters Her fall didn't > seem so serious a

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2011-03-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Kris: How about Miranda Richardson, for starters Her fall didn't seem so serious at the time it happened, but had she been wearing a helmet she'd likely still be alive. I'm a mountain biker and snowboarder, and I can't imagine doing either without a helmet. THAT to me would be idiotic... th

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2011-03-16 Thread johnb
Jan, I think a objective view (as much as that can be accomplished) would be interesting. I always look forward to the magazine, read it cover to cover, and even if I don't agree with you I enjoy the magazine immensely. I personally thought the Tedx video was interesting, well done even, and cause

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2011-03-16 Thread Anne Paulson
> Bottom line, I don't care what statistics show, either in favor or > against, nor will I EVER. I will ignore them over my own gut intuition I am the complete opposite-- I believe statistics-crazed sports nerd is the term of art here. My gut would like to be informed by accurate statistics on the

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2011-03-16 Thread Kris
I can state with 100% confidence I did not know Sonny Bono! ;-) On Mar 16, 7:15 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 16:11 -0700, Kris wrote: > > Anyone been on the ski slopes recently?  Talk about creating a market > > out of nothing!  I don't know ANYONE who has ever taken a serio

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2011-03-16 Thread William
I think he's in cahoots with Natasha Richardson in the conspiracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Richardson On Mar 16, 4:15 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 16:11 -0700, Kris wrote: > > Anyone been on the ski slopes recently?  Talk about creating a market > > out of nothi

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2011-03-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 16:11 -0700, Kris wrote: > Anyone been on the ski slopes recently? Talk about creating a market > out of nothing! I don't know ANYONE who has ever taken a serious > knock while skiing, but suddenly 30%+ of the market is wearing a > shell. > "Who is Sonny Bono?" http://en.w

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2011-03-16 Thread Kris
Everyone else is chiming in.so. I wear a helmet when mountain biking in my typical fashion. I ride NC and Southeast singletrack with very steep, rocky descents as fast as I can. I have broken more than one helmet via crashes. It would be idiotic to not wear a helmet. I suspect even the

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2011-03-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 15:06 -0700, pcooley wrote: > > I guess it's also worth pointing out that the statistics come from the > Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute. That's hardly an unbiased source. I > would accept Bicycle Quarterly as being somewhat more authoritative. > Why is BHSI "biased," in

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2011-03-16 Thread William
Do I have to tell people I'm a civil libertarian if I agree enthusiastically with Montclair Bobby B? Is there a pin I have to wear? On Mar 16, 3:47 pm, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > (Sorry I'm getting sucked into furterh debate, but... ) honestly I > don't believe there's a legitimate argument for o

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2011-03-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB
(Sorry I'm getting sucked into furterh debate, but... ) honestly I don't believe there's a legitimate argument for or against, regardless of statistics. This comes down to a person's perception and sensitivity to risk. Do you have tornado insurance? Flood insurance? These choices (and they're y

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2011-03-16 Thread pcooley
And just one more for Jan -- how many randonneurs in the past suffered head injuries. I don't see many helmets in those old pictures. If there really is a strong correlation between bicycling and head injuries, then there is sure to be some discussion of it in the vintage literature. Paul Cool

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2011-03-16 Thread William
1) Do helmets reduce the extent of head or neck injuries incurred by impact to the head? YES 2) Does getting off the couch dramatically increase your risk of suffering brain damage, death, or paralysis due to impact to the head versus staying on the couch? YES Therefore, either stay on the couc

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2011-03-16 Thread Anne Paulson
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Travis wrote: > Ann, to indulge your semantic reply I will change #2: > > 2) Does cycling dramatically increase your risk of suffering brain > damage, death, or paralysis due to impact to the head versus > showering? Here's what I want to know, and what I haven't

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2011-03-16 Thread pcooley
I guess it's also worth pointing out that the statistics come from the Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute. That's hardly an unbiased source. I would accept Bicycle Quarterly as being somewhat more authoritative. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW O

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2011-03-16 Thread pcooley
I swore to myself I wouldn't jump in on this argument, but as a fellow New Mexican, I thought I would jump in here with Patrick. Mark Twain said that there were lies, damn lies and statistics. The problem with this particular set of statistics is that it is only measuring one thing. Who do I see

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2011-03-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Travis wrote: > Ann, to indulge your semantic reply I will change #2: > > 2) Does cycling dramatically increase your risk of suffering brain > damage, death, or paralysis due to impact to the head versus > showering? > > Yes, almost definitely. > > Evidence, the w

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2011-03-16 Thread Travis
Ann, to indulge your semantic reply I will change #2: 2) Does cycling dramatically increase your risk of suffering brain damage, death, or paralysis due to impact to the head versus showering? Yes, almost definitely. On Mar 16, 4:25 pm, Anne Paulson wrote: > If your argument works equally well

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2011-03-16 Thread Philip Williamson
> >> At Bicycle Quarterly, we are considering looking at the statistics and > >> figuring out whether helmets make riding safer, whether risk compensation > >> really is a factor, etc. I believe there is a need for real data, rather > >> than opinion, on the subject. > > Please don't include it. I

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2011-03-16 Thread Anne Paulson
If your argument works equally well if we substitute "being a pedestrian" or "taking a shower" for "cycling," then you might want to reconsider your logic. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Travis wrote: > I've searched extensively as well and cannot find anything > scientifically convincing. How

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2011-03-16 Thread Travis
I've searched extensively as well and cannot find anything scientifically convincing. However, here are a couple of very simple questions which may be helpful: 1) Do helmets reduce the extent of head or neck injuries incurred by impact to the head? 2) Does cycling increase the likelihood of impact

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2011-03-16 Thread NickBull
I thought Steve Palincsar's post was the most interesting in this thread. I've been driving for 46 years and cycling for 56. In that time, I have never been involved in a car crash that involved any bodily injury whatsoever. Knock on wood. But I have been involved in quite a few bicycle crashes

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2011-03-16 Thread SISDDWG
The helmet issue is like the God issue in that you can't convince a believer of anything. They have a deep seated need to believe or abandon head protection. On Mar 16, 9:10 am, Jan Heine wrote: > >  to get people on bicycles, you don't want to force them to wear a helmet > >  and imply that they

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2011-03-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Shucks, 'twas nuthin, really. More eloquent by far than I, BSNYC indulges in some amusing punditry and soul moving commentary on recent "bicycle safety rules" here: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:07 PM, MontclairBobbyB wrote: > Patrick; > > I'm sure I've already tol

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2011-03-16 Thread grant
I included the link because I thought it was interesting. A stir, OK, but at some point it's time to move on. The arguments FOR are well- known. The arguments against, whether you buy them or not, get your brain working and help you settle the issue with yourself. It is unlikely that any discussion

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2011-03-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Kelly: I hope you understand my definition of "colorful" in this context to mean "exceptional"... Looking forward to not only a few days of great riding (at Riv Rally East), but having a great meeting of the minds... (A bigger question, perhaps... Will you bring your Hilsen or your Bomba?) Peace

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2011-03-16 Thread Kelly Sleeper
Bad enough I have to tape the keyboard now I'll have to tape my mouth to stay out of trouble. Helmets are safer than no helmet. Fact Hell a piece of leather is safer than nothing. Just for me the risk is so low that I choose to not wear one at times. I only wear seat belts because of the damn

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2011-03-16 Thread MontclairBobbyB
Patrick; I'm sure I've already told you this, but I'll be first in line at your book signing... you are indeed fun to read. (In fact if you have a reason to travel East, you should consider joining us for Riv Rally East May 6-8... With Robert Zeidler, Steve Palincsar and Kelly Sleeper (among othe

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2011-03-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
A mons parturating (or perhaps "cacare" is better -- "Culus tibi purior salillo est, nec toto decies cacas in anno"; yes, I had to look that up) Charlie Sheen would be even more ridiculous. Who needs satire? God preserve us from becoming rich, famous, sexy and important or more of us would end up l

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2011-03-16 Thread Montclair BobbyB
I guess one could point to examples where helmets could have made a difference (Gary Busey, for example)... But then to be fair helmets may not always protect one from one's actions... (Charlie Sheen, for example). Personally I choose to ride with a helmet, because I've endoed enough to be thankf

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2011-03-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
All, particularly Seth and whoever ekoral is: Sorry, I did not mean to sound snarky. I really think Jan can do many, if not all, cyclists a great favor by intelligently analyzing the data pro and con. AFAIK, there is no comprehensive, statistically competent review of the primary statistics. If st

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2011-03-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:00 AM, ekoral wrote: If you look at this website: http://www.bhsi.org/stats.htm , you can see that of all bicycle deaths in 2008, 91% were not wearing helmets, while the other 9% were. I think that's a rather clear statistic. You may have a low chance of actually getting

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2011-03-16 Thread muckum
Fear is one thing. Reasonable caution and preparedness is another. Munich/ Zurich/ etc. is not Los Angeles my friends. People here hit cycles, sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. I have encountered both first hand and I don't even commute. Basic gear like a helmet is just common sense. It works

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2011-03-16 Thread ekoral
As someone who bicycles everyday in a metropolitan city (SF) and also has been in a near fatal car/bicycle accident, i use a helmet every time i ride. People drive crazy here, and not wearing a helmet and getting hit by a car can mean the difference between a hospital stay and a trip to the morgue.

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2011-03-16 Thread robert zeidler
Michael, Judging by how the roads fared down here this winter, yours must have been just destroyed. RGZ On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:50 AM, MichaelH wrote: > My experience confirms that safety concerns are the biggest impediment > to getting people on bicycles.  No doubt, the ubiquitous helmet > co

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2011-03-16 Thread Pete
Jan, I for one use helmets every time since they've saved my bacon more than once. No doubt a helmet will help once the accident is a fact. But I think Mikael Colville Andersen's point is that cites does not live up to their responsibility to offer cyclist a safe liveable environment. Instead we ar

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2011-03-16 Thread newenglandbike
On Mar 16, 12:10 pm, Jan Heine wrote: > Seatbelts don't keep people from driving. But this analogy isn't very strong-- a seatbelt is not a helmet, and the automobile industry is deliberately not selling/pushing helmets (as the seminar's speaker points out), even though automobile accidents are

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2011-03-16 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Well said, Matt. A very stylish former girlfriend, who has little or no interest in bikes, fell in love with an Electra Amsterdam purely as a fashion accessory. In the end she decided that spending $500 on a bike was out of the question (she can buy decent earrings with that kind of money!) --

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2011-03-16 Thread MichaelH
My experience confirms that safety concerns are the biggest impediment to getting people on bicycles. No doubt, the ubiquitous helmet contributes to that fear, but I am convinced that fear has two other deeper causes. First, far too many roads where most commuters ride are unnecessarily dangerous

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2011-03-16 Thread newenglandbike
Can't comment on the speaker's delivery, but what does that matter? I pretty much agreed with most of what the guy said, that is, to get people on bicycles, you don't want to force them to wear a helmet and imply that they are doing something more dangerous than driving. Conversely, the overbe

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2011-03-16 Thread newenglandbike
Can't comment on the speaker's delivery, but what does that matter? I pretty much agreed with most of what the guy said.That is, to get people on bicycles, you don't want to force them to wear a helmet and imply that they are doing something more dangerous than driving. Conversely, the ove

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2011-03-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Damn, Jim, it's about time someone had the courage to raise this highly troublesome subject; moral standards in this our little world of odd, retro bike geekdom are tumbling fast. Patrick "Sarah Palin for President -- as long as she promises complete silence for four years: Moore On Tue, Mar 15,

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2011-03-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:59 PM, james black wrote: [...] > but his blog offends me, and I'm happy to explain why. He objectifies > women! He is, in essence, a professional pornographer, exploiting > people for his own self-promotion. > > What exactly does "objectify" mean? Never was sure. Do yo

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2011-03-15 Thread Mike S
I love it when out of shape, middle-aged white guys who smoke,drink and watch football (see: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy WITH helmets) tell me how I'm reckless riding without a helmet. I thought the guys tone was rather high on the smug-o-meter as well, but he brings up good points about bikin

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2011-03-15 Thread charlie
Whoa there.there is a huge difference between showing fine women (and men too) riding bicycles in public (well dressed I might add) and what you are referring too.a completely unfair comparison. I grew up in a generation where cycling was normally done sans Styrofoam as did millions be

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2011-03-15 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I have nothing against professional photographers or exploiting people, but I am greatly offended by the shameless portrayal of internal gear hubs and chain guards as sensible for transportation bikes! Both of these cause me lots of trouble on a daily basis! -- You received this message becaus

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2011-03-15 Thread james black
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 17:39, rperks wrote: > Not sure what rubs you wrong about his delivery.  Likewise his blog, > http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ , an dthe cycling chic seems to > rub people wrong.  This again confuses me as to why showing regular > people dressed smartly using bikes to ge

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2011-03-15 Thread eflayer
to me, he spent 10 minutes saying nearly nothing...but seemed rather proud of himself the entire time. other than that, he's a cool looking guy, but i would not have him meet my sister. On Mar 15, 5:39 pm, rperks wrote: > The points of view were the fact that cycling statistcly appears safer > th

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2011-03-15 Thread cyclotourist
Only one real MCA ! :-) On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:25 PM, grrlyrida wrote: > That's funny. I thought I was the only one who felt that way about > MCA. I only had to go on his blog once to figure that out. However > he's very popular on the cycling

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2011-03-15 Thread rperks
The points of view were the fact that cycling statistcly appears safer then ever as a mode of local travel, and that the culture of fear sold by the helmet salesmen is a detrement to the spread of cycling to more people. Likewise if the level of marketing helmets to activites statisticly more dang

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2011-03-15 Thread Michael_S
he is rather obnoxious. I'd feel pretty weird without that plastic bowl on my head. I guess if it saves me from serious head injury just once it was worth wearing it all those years. ~Mike On Mar 15, 5:30 pm, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > Wow... that's 10 minutes I'll never get back... > > On Mar 15

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2011-03-15 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Wow... that's 10 minutes I'll never get back... On Mar 15, 8:03 pm, eflayer wrote: > not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot > air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view > about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is: > > http://video.tedx

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2011-03-15 Thread grrlyrida
That's funny. I thought I was the only one who felt that way about MCA. I only had to go on his blog once to figure that out. However he's very popular on the cycling blogosphere. I could only sit through the vid for a few minutes before I turned it off. On Mar 15, 5:03 pm, eflayer wrote: > not s