[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users
Wietse Venema via Postfix-users wrote in <4xvs4j0h5qzj...@spike.porcupine.org>: |Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users: |> Marvin Renich via Postfix-users writes: |>> [...] |>> Do you expect the postfix devs to release containers for every popular |>> combination of distribution and containeriz

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Ralph Seichter via Postfix-users
* Nico Schottelius: > It's the opposite and let me put it into clear, logic terms: Oh, do try. ;-) > I need a postfix container [0] > I can easily build a postfix container [1] > Others might start using my postfix container due to the lack of an > official postfix container [2] If (!) you publ

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Wietse Venema via Postfix-users
Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users: > > Marvin Renich via Postfix-users writes: > > [...] > > Do you expect the postfix devs to release containers for every popular > > combination of distribution and containerization technology (Docker, > > kubernetes, LXC, OpenVZ, etc.)? Even picking one distr

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Wietse Venema via Postfix-users
Nico Schottelius: > > That is NOT an official image. The web page even has a very clear > > disclaimer: > > > > Note that these images come with absolutely no warranty or support. > > > > In other words, don't use these images for mission-critical applications, > > such as providing an email se

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Harald Koch via Postfix-users
On Fri, Oct 18, 2024, at 09:31, Bill Cole via Postfix-users wrote: > > I suspect that this thread has already taken more time & effort than it would > take for one sysadmin with k8s expertise to build a working Postfix container > for their own use. I'm sure that it has taken more time than just

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Marvin Renich via Postfix-users
* Marvin Renich via Postfix-users [241018 08:14]: > My apologies! I had explicitly set Reply-To, and expected the mailing > list software to _not_ replace it. Okay, it seems that the list software _adds_ the original sender to the existing Reply-To header. So if I don't set Reply-To, it just ha

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Bill Cole via Postfix-users
On 2024-10-18 at 05:58:16 UTC-0400 (Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:58:16 +0200) Emmanuel Seyman via Postfix-users is rumored to have said: * Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users [18/10/2024 10:55] : - Others might start using my postfix container due to the lack of an official postfix container [2] Th

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users
Hey Emmanuel, Emmanuel Seyman via Postfix-users writes: > * Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users [18/10/2024 10:55] : >> >> - Others might start using my postfix container due to the lack of an >> official postfix container [2] >> - To avoid that, my recommendation is that the postfix project p

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Emmanuel Seyman via Postfix-users
* Nico Schottelius [18/10/2024 20:39] : > > In the best case scenario you get one > hit with a lot of favorites/stars/whatever and an indication that the > image is official. That means as a user it is trustworthy and you can > run your workload with it. The fact t

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Marvin Renich via Postfix-users
* Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users [241017 14:23]: > postfix-users@postfix.org wrote in > : > |[Please do not CC me! That goes against long-standing mailing list \ > |etiquette.] > > How about adding a Mail-Followup-To: header then? > Even though it never became a standard, that is even mor

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-18 Thread Emmanuel Seyman via Postfix-users
* Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users [18/10/2024 10:55] : > > - Others might start using my postfix container due to the lack of an > official postfix container [2] > - To avoid that, my recommendation is that the postfix project provides a > container itself This is the part I don't get. Why i

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-17 Thread Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users
Marvin Renich via Postfix-users writes: > [...] > Do you expect the postfix devs to release containers for every popular > combination of distribution and containerization technology (Docker, > kubernetes, LXC, OpenVZ, etc.)? Even picking one distribution still > leaves too many containers. No,

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-17 Thread Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users
Ralph Seichter via Postfix-users writes: > * Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users: > >> As mentioned before, I/we can volunteer to building the image(s) and >> rebuilding them on a new release, if the added workload is a concern. > > Why do I get the feeling that you promote the idea of an "officia

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-17 Thread Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users
Wietse Venema via Postfix-users writes: > Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users: >> >> Marvin, >> >> Marvin Renich via Postfix-users writes: >> > [...] >> >> - Rerun a docker build & docker push as soon as the underlying OS's >> >> update their package repository >> >> - Update the Dockerfile o

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-17 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users
postfix-users@postfix.org wrote in : |[Please do not CC me! That goes against long-standing mailing list \ |etiquette.] How about adding a Mail-Followup-To: header then? Even though it never became a standard, that is even more so a pity today with that current "x via y" rewriting that places

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-17 Thread Wietse Venema via Postfix-users
Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users: > > Marvin, > > Marvin Renich via Postfix-users writes: > > [...] > >> - Rerun a docker build & docker push as soon as the underlying OS's > >> update their package repository > >> - Update the Dockerfile once the depending operating system updates > >> t

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-17 Thread Marvin Renich via Postfix-users
[Please do not CC me! That goes against long-standing mailing list etiquette.] * Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users [241017 09:31]: > > Marvin, > > Marvin Renich via Postfix-users writes: > > [...] > >> - Rerun a docker build & docker push as soon as the underlying OS's > >> update their p

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-17 Thread Ralph Seichter via Postfix-users
* Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users: > As mentioned before, I/we can volunteer to building the image(s) and > rebuilding them on a new release, if the added workload is a concern. Why do I get the feeling that you promote the idea of an "official" container image and your role in it because you

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-17 Thread Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users
Marvin, Marvin Renich via Postfix-users writes: > [...] >> - Rerun a docker build & docker push as soon as the underlying OS's >> update their package repository >> - Update the Dockerfile once the depending operating system updates >> their image (i.e. The debian based postfix image could

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-17 Thread Marvin Renich via Postfix-users
* Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users [241016 20:10]: > Package maintainers are usually split into two different approaches: > > - a) Some built containers directly from *their* source, only using the > inside distribution as a help to build their own binaries. > > advantages: > - always

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-16 Thread Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users
Good morning, Wietse Venema via Postfix-users writes: > Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users: >> [Two-layer architecture: large IPv6-only Kubernetes clusters with >> external connectivity, plus smaller dual-stack, transit-only, >> Kubernetes clusters that gateway from/to external IPv4.] > >> So l

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-16 Thread Wietse Venema via Postfix-users
Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users: > [Two-layer architecture: large IPv6-only Kubernetes clusters with > external connectivity, plus smaller dual-stack, transit-only, > Kubernetes clusters that gateway from/to external IPv4.] > So long story short, each mx instance will be a container, in total w

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-16 Thread Wietse Venema via Postfix-users
Nico Schottelius: > > Salut Wietse, > > Wietse Venema via Postfix-users writes:> > > [...] > > If there are 'common' container use cases, then I suppose that > > Postfix could distrtibute example Dockerfiles for that. > > While the use cases are likely to differ, a lot of "common" software > su

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-16 Thread Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users
Good evening Bill, Bill Cole via Postfix-users writes: > On 2024-10-15 at 22:43:51 UTC-0400 (Wed, 16 Oct 2024 11:43:51 +0900) > Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users > is rumored to have said: > > how do you currently run postfix in containers? > > I don't (and neither do most Postfix users) bec

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-16 Thread Bill Cole via Postfix-users
On 2024-10-15 at 22:43:51 UTC-0400 (Wed, 16 Oct 2024 11:43:51 +0900) Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users is rumored to have said: how do you currently run postfix in containers? I don't (and neither do most Postfix users) because a robust MTA installation is a terrible fit for a Docker contai

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-16 Thread Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users
Salut Wietse, Wietse Venema via Postfix-users writes:> > [...] > If there are 'common' container use cases, then I suppose that > Postfix could distrtibute example Dockerfiles for that. While the use cases are likely to differ, a lot of "common" software such as nginx provide minimal containers

[pfx] Re: Postfix in containers/kubernetes

2024-10-16 Thread Wietse Venema via Postfix-users
Nico Schottelius via Postfix-users: Checking application/pgp-signature: FAILURE -- Start of PGP signed section. > > Hello fellow postfix users, > > how do you currently run postfix in containers? As far as I can see > there is no official image out there, just a number of people who > published