Re: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 2011-08-11 12:45, james machado wrote: > >> what is the life expectancy of IPv6? It won't live forever and we >> can't reasonably expect it too. I understand we don't want run out of >> addresses in the next 10-40 years but what about

Re: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:43 PM, William Herrin wrote: > I mean really, why > wouldn't the life safety system in a car dynamically acquire its > globally-addressable IPv6 addresses from the customer's cheap home > Internet equipment? So they'll each need their /64's which means the > car as a whole n

Re: OSPF vs IS-IS

2011-08-11 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 11, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> The only reason in my opinion to run IS-IS rather than OSPF today is >> due to the fact that IS-IS is decoupled from IP making it less >> vulnerable to attacks. > > how about simpler and more stable? not rooted to a particular area. supports mo

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 16, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote: > Subject: Re: Verizon Business - LTE? Date: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:49:38AM > -0400 Quoting chris (tknch...@gmail.com): >> Overall, IMO the trends are just seem to be going backwards. We have more >> speed but we can use it less? What kind of te

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:40 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:53:24 EDT, Christopher Morrow said: > >> anyway, they do these donkey things because they can :( people have no >> real option (except not to play the game, ala war games). > > My brother recently tried to get

Re: Prefix hijacking by Michael Lindsay via Internap

2011-08-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Tammy A. Wisdom wrote: > I completely agree... the real issue here is the system is flawed and > RIPE/ARIN/APNIC etc have zero actual authority over actual routing. Yet > another reason they aren't worth the money we flush down the toilet for them > to do absolut

Re: New Natural Disaster! 8/27/2011 Hurricane Irene

2011-08-28 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 8/28/11 12:29 , John Levine wrote: >> It looks like the DHS, FEMA got this emergency wrong... by the time >> it got to NYC it was the equivalent of a normal day in Scotland. I >> live in Scotland... http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/actualmonthly/ 22.5cm seems to be the max for the month

Re: Aqua Conduit for 10G multi-mode?

2011-08-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 8/30/11 02:21 , Michael J McCafferty wrote: > All, > Orange innerduct/split-loom tubing for multi-mode, yellow for > single-mode... Where's the aqua for the aqua OM3 fiber? > I feel like the Ethernet fashion police, but it's a horrible color > clash for aqua fiber dressed in yellow o

Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?

2011-09-05 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/3/11 04:20 , Skeeve Stevens wrote: > Hey all, > > I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have > on the Internet. > > My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical > (DSL, Cable, wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload' > obscene amount

Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?

2011-09-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/7/11 09:02 , Michael Holstein wrote: > >> I would love a world where engineering was consulted by marketing :( >> > > Wouldn't be a problem is management invested based on engineering's > recommendations. > > There are few problems that money can't solve .. in this case, it's > "sure, we

Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?

2011-09-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/7/11 09:37 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 09:28:28 PDT, Joel jaeggli said: > >> The way to achieve a return on invested capital is to attract and retain >> customers who pay for a service which they find compelling. > > Only true if long-te

Re: what about the users re: NAT444 or ?

2011-09-08 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/8/11 08:49 , Lyle Giese wrote: > Can we really push an IPv6 agenda for CDN's when IPv6 routing at high > backend levels is still not complete? I certainly don't have the > 'clout' to push that, but full routing between Cogent and HE needs to be > fixed. It's your job to run your network such

Re: Microsoft deems all DigiNotar certificates untrustworthy, releases updates

2011-09-11 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/10/11 23:30 , Damian Menscher wrote: > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Marcus Reid wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 09:17:10AM -0700, Network IP Dog wrote: >>> I like this response; instant CA death penalty seems to put the >>> incen

Re: ouch..

2011-09-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/14/11 14:24 , Don Gould wrote: > * Did you know that Cisco has a 100Gb solution? need more L3 1u TORs with 4 x 40 and 48 x 10...

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/16/11 13:50 , Nathan Eisenberg wrote: >>> As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You >>> have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another >>> provider. >> >> does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market >> entry? > > Yes. If you want PI sp

Re: Traceroute losses through NYC1.gblx.net?

2011-09-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/16/11 11:42 , Steve Bohrer wrote: > My general question is "what meaning do I give to lossy traceroutes, > even when pings show no problem." > > Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a > traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems > indicate

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-19 Thread Joel jaeggli
given that as 729 maxes out at 800cpi there are probably slightly kinky ways to attack the problem, e.g. someone doing it with disk packs. http://chrisfenton.com/cray-1-digital-archeology/ there's still plenty of equipment that can wrap 1/2" tape around a spindle. On 9/19/11 21:14 , valdis.kletn

Re: Internet mauled by bears

2011-09-20 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/19/11 18:49 , Richard Barnes wrote: > And if they turn up the voltage on the fence high enough, dinner could be > cooked by the time the crew gets there! montana experience says: cows have rather thick skin, sheep come with insulation, and bison will go through anything that gets in their wa

Re: 4.0.0.0/8?

2011-09-20 Thread Joel jaeggli
routeviews says the /9s have been announced for a while the route object for 4.0.0.0/9 was last updated 20060203 On 9/20/11 10:13 , Hank Nussbacher wrote: > Did Level3 withdraw 4.0.0.0/8 today and start announcing it as two /9s? > > -Hank >

Re: 4.0.0.0/8?

2011-09-20 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/20/11 10:22 , Hank Nussbacher wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > Newbie question: > > If I do: > route-views>sho ip bgp 4.0.0.0 > BGP routing table entry for 4.0.0.0/9, version 821994 > > why do I see the /9 and not the /8 by default? If I do a specific > lookup fo

Re: Strange static route

2011-09-23 Thread Joel Maslak
Protection against learning a bad default route through whatever routing protocol they are learning, since these two routes would be more specific than any typical default route. They probably got burned learning a default route. On Sep 23, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Glen Kent wrote: > Hi, > > I have

Re: Strange static route

2011-09-25 Thread Joel Maslak
On Sep 25, 2011, at 3:37 AM, Tom Storey wrote: > I found I had to do this many years ago on some Cisco routers to get them to > load balance (per packet) across two links. Adding 0.0.0.0/0 routes across > both links just resulted in traffic routing across one link. Broke it into > two /1's per li

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-29 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/29/11 17:46 , Robert Bonomi wrote: >> From: Nathan Eisenberg >> Subject: RE: Synology Disk DS211J >> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:58:23 + >> >>> And this is why the prudent home admin runs a firewall device he or she >>> can trust, and has a "default deny" rule in place even for outgoing >

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 14:59 , Jones, Barry wrote: > I can't tell you the kind of servers, but I can say that I was > recently in Prineville, OR, where FB is building a data center (and a > second data center). I was used to the ol data centers - you know, > where there's raised floors, cabinets, cool air, a g

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 15:19 , Steven G. Huter wrote: >>> I can't tell you the kind of servers, but I can say that I was >>> recently in Prineville, OR, where FB is building a data center (and a >>> second data center). I was used to the ol data centers - you know, >>> where there's raised floors, cabinets, co

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 15:58 , Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/30/11 3:41 PM, Michael Painter wrote: >> Steven G. Huter wrote: >>> this August 2011 article in the Economist outlines some relevant info >>> about the prineville, oregon FB datacenter. >>> >>> http://www.economist.com/node/21525237 >>> >>> steve >> >>

Re: Facebook insecure by design

2011-10-02 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/2/11 15:25 , Jimmy Hess wrote: > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:53 PM, wrote: >> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 08:38:36 PDT, Michael Thomas said: >>> I'm not sure why lack of TLS is considered to be problem with Facebook. >>> The man in the middle is the other side of the connection, tls or otherwise. >> O

Re: Facebook insecure by design

2011-10-02 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/2/11 15:43 , Joel jaeggli wrote: > On 10/2/11 15:25 , Jimmy Hess wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:53 PM, wrote: >>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 08:38:36 PDT, Michael Thomas said: >>>> I'm not sure why lack of TLS is considered to be problem with Facebook. >

Re: DNSSEC in China

2011-10-05 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/5/11 10:05 , Michael Sinatra wrote: > The thread on f-root reminded my of an anecdotal datum regarding DNSSEC > in China. I was in China back in August, staying at the Green Lake > Hotel in Kunming, Yunnan Provence. When connecting to the hotel in-room > network (there was no wireless but a

Re: Telus mail server admin

2011-10-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/7/11 08:26 , Paul Graydon wrote: > On 10/6/2011 8:02 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> DISCLAIMER:... >> Wow. I was thinking about answering the question, but now I don't dare. >> >> Regards, >> John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for >> Dummies", >> Please consider th

Re: Botnets buying up IPv4 address space

2011-10-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/7/11 11:31 , Arturo Servin wrote: > > What do you mean with "purchasing or renting IPv4". > > Last time that I check it was not possible in the RIR world. If you're not a legitimate business why would you bother with commonly accepted policy? > If you mean "hijacking" un

Re: Botnets buying up IPv4 address space

2011-10-09 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/9/11 05:10 , Martin Millnert wrote: > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> IPv4 addresses will never run out in a strict sense of the word, it >> will just become increasingly more difficult to reassign IPv4 address >> space to those who need it. > > If you by difficult

Re: new guest room SSID for NANOG

2011-10-10 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/10/11 17:12 , Randy Carpenter wrote: > > Very nice. I wonder if this is an option we could try to use in > future meetings. It makes sense, really, since we already have decent > connectivity for the conference areas, and we wouldn't be destroying > the hotel's outside connection (only their

Re: meeting network

2011-10-10 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/10/11 21:25 , Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I don't think it is. I think that you can negotiate and I will point out >> that the hotel >> here has wanted our business enough that they have now scrambled to make >> life significantly bett

Re: meeting network

2011-10-10 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/10/11 07:00 , Owen DeLong wrote: > It would be wise for NANOG to approach future venues and specifically > discuss these things with the hotel IT departments in question ahead > of time so that they have some remote chance of being prepared. The hotel IT department is the guy who runs the a

Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, Egypt affected (not N.A.)

2011-10-12 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/12/11 07:47 , andrew.wallace wrote: > Guys the outage has moved to U.S and Canada, I think we need to look at this > perhaps being sabotage. > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20119163-266/blackberry-service-issues-spread-to-u.s-and-canada/ North American outages of the blackberry platf

Re: Mexico?

2011-10-27 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/27/11 20:24 , Ryan Finnesey wrote: > If I want to get a block of IP's issued for a network within Mexico who do I > talk with? I have been told arin does not cover Mexico. It was my > understand arin covers North America. mexico moved to the lacnic region with the formation of the lacnic r

Re: Outgoing SMTP Servers

2011-10-27 Thread Joel jaeggli
Email as facility is a public good whether it constitutes a commons or not... If wasn't you wouldn't bother putting up a server that would accept unsolicited incoming connections on behalf of yourself and others, doing so is generically non-rival and non-excludable although not perfectly so in eith

Re: using IPv6 address block across multiple locations

2011-10-31 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/31/11 05:59 , Owen DeLong wrote: > Ideally, you should put a /48 at each location. > > Owen > > On Oct 31, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Dmitry Cherkasov wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Please advice what is the best practice to use IPv6 address block >> across distributed locations. >> >> Recently we obtain

Re: using IPv6 address block across multiple locations

2011-10-31 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 10/31/11 03:43 , Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2011-10-31 08:56 , Dmitry Cherkasov wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Please advice what is the best practice to use IPv6 address block >> across distributed locations. > > You go to multiple RIRs and get multiple prefixes. > > Heck, you apparently can even get

Re: IPv6 beta support for Android phones

2011-11-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
The cellular radios firmware doesn't support ipv6(on your iPhone)... Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Pete Carah wrote: > On 11/04/2011 06:04 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: >> FYI. >> >> T-Mobile USA now has opt-in beta support for an Android phone on IPv6, >> more info here https://s

Re: General Internet Instability

2011-11-07 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/7/11 08:37 , Jared Mauch wrote: > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Richard Golodner wrote: > >> On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 11:09 -0500, Todd Snyder wrote: >>> Can anyone point to any authoritative updates about this? >> >> I think Jared's suggestion was about as close as your going to get for

Re: Arguing against using public IP space

2011-11-13 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/14/11 10:24 , Joe Greco wrote: >> Sure, anytime there's an attack or failure on a SCADA network that >> wouldn't have occurred had it been air-gapped, it's easy for people to >> knee-jerk a "SCADA networks should be airgapped" response. But that's >> not really intelligent commentary unless

Re: Query : seeking a (low cost & secure) turnkey plug-and-play appliance to report network outages

2011-11-19 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/19/11 01:35 , Fearghas McKay wrote: > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 12:58, A. Chase Turner wrote: > >> I am seeking a $100 turnkey micro hardware appliance to plug into a LAN hub >> (behind a consumer-level cable modem) whose only purpose in life is to send >> heartbeat (and simple quality of serv

Re: Dynamic (changing) IPv6 prefix delegation

2011-11-22 Thread Joel Maslak
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Ray Soucy wrote: > As long as a static allocation can be billed as a premium service, > most providers will unfortunately do it. Exactly. ISPs are in business to make as much money as they can - go figure. For myself, having a static IP is the least of my concerns

Re: Dynamic (changing) IPv6 prefix delegation

2011-11-24 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/21/11 14:18 , Nathan Eisenberg wrote: >> Look at the number that are refusing to make generous prefix >> allocations >> to residential end users and limiting them to /56, /60, or even worse, >> /64. > > Owen, > > What does Joe Sixpack do at home with a /48 that he cannot do with a /56 or a

Re: Network device command line interfaces

2011-11-25 Thread Joel Maslak
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > The trick to deailing with this as a propellorhead[sic] is to include a > *monetized* estimate of the increased manpower OPEX of using the 'dog to > work with' box. And a TCOS figure over the projected lifetime of the > units. No need to

Re: OT: Traffic Light Control (was Re: First real-world SCADA attack in US)

2011-11-25 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/22/11 08:16 , Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Owen DeLong" > >> As in all cases, additional flexibility results in additional ability >> to make mistakes. Simple mechanical lockouts do not scale to the >> modern world. The benefits of these additional capabiliti

Re: OT: Traffic Light Control (was Re: First real-world SCADA attack in US)

2011-11-25 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/25/11 12:02 , Jay Hennigan wrote: > On 11/25/11 11:34 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: > >> Cars generically cause at lot more deaths than faulty traffic >> controllers 13.2 per 100,000 population in the US annually. > > The cars don't (often) cause them. The drivers d

Re: IPv6 prefixes longer then /64: are they possible in DOCSIS networks?

2011-11-29 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/29/11 09:30 , Owen DeLong wrote: > I believe those have been obsoleted, but, /64 remains the best choice, IMHO. operational practice has moved on. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6164 > Owen > > On Nov 29, 2011, at 9:00 AM, McCall, Gabriel wrote: > >> Note that /127 is strongly discouraged

Re: Recent DNS attacks from China?

2011-12-02 Thread Joel Maslak
Other than being non-compliant, is an "ANY" query used by any major software? Could someone rate limit ANY responses to mitigate this particular issue? On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Leland Vandervort < lel...@taranta.discpro.org> wrote: > Yup.. they're all "ANY" requests. The varying TTLs ind

Re: 128.0.0.0/16 configured as martians in some routers

2011-12-06 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 12/6/11 00:50 , Florian Weimer wrote: > * Alex Le Heux: > >> The RIPE NCC is aware that 128.0.0.0/16 is configured as a martian by >> default in (some) Juniper OS, even though RFC 5735 and RFC3330 outline >> that this /16 should no longer be reserved as specialised address >> space. > > Would

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-02 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/29/12 23:18 , Joakim Aronius wrote: > I am all for being anonymous on the net but I seriously believe that > we still need to enforce the law when it comes to serious felonies > like child pr0n, organized crime etc, we can't give them a free pass > just by using Tor. I dont think it should b

Re: TCP time_wait and port exhaustion for servers

2012-12-05 Thread joel jaeggli
On 12/5/12 9:09 AM, Ray Soucy wrote: This would be outgoing connections sourced from the IP of the proxy, destined to whatever remote website (so 80 or 443) requested by the user. Essentially it's a modified Squid service that is used to filter HTTP for CIPA compliance (required by the governme

Re: Fiber only in DataCenters?

2012-12-17 Thread joel jaeggli
On 12/17/12 9:01 AM, James Wininger wrote: Hello all, Looking for input from "providers" as well as "consumers" of data center space and facilities. Specifically speaking to the types of available physical cross connects. Are there data centers out there that are "fiber only"? That is to say t

Re: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-20 Thread joel jaeggli
the 8p8c connector is durable. The connector predates twisted pair ethernet by a decade or more. you could also ask about 1/4" TRS which is still in use albiet not in phone systems for about 100 years longer. On 12/20/12 10:20 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: I was looking at a Raspberry Pi board

Re: Validation of FCS

2012-12-23 Thread joel jaeggli
On 12/19/12 7:02 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2012-12-19 09:53 -0500), Jason Lixfeld wrote: Perhaps in simpler terms, a CRC error is a localized thing and would never be forwarded from one device to another. It would be forwarded in cut-through switching. I have cut-through switches (arista) that

Re: really facebook?

2012-12-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 12/27/12 9:04 AM, mike wrote: I reloaded their app (yes, I know... sew me) and got this warning: IP address: 2600:100f:b119:c6bc:bd6f:fabb:ff30:2a3d Estimated location: Livingston, NJ, US That's a rather good estimation of where many verizon wireless customers appear to come from.

Re: really facebook?

2012-12-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 12/27/12 10:29 AM, mike wrote: On 12/27/12 9:25 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: On 12/27/12 9:04 AM, mike wrote: I reloaded their app (yes, I know... sew me) and got this warning: IP address: 2600:100f:b119:c6bc:bd6f:fabb:ff30:2a3d Estimated location: Livingston, NJ, US That's a r

Re: [SHAME] Spam Rats

2013-01-10 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/10/13 12:59 PM, John Levine wrote: IMHO mail is one of the easiest "first things" to turn on for IPv6. You can certainly turn it on, and it will work at the current toy scale, but nobody has a clue how we're going to scale IPv4 spam management up for large scale IPv6. Anything that's obvio

Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list

2013-01-11 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 1/11/13 02:44 , Nikolay Shopik wrote: > Also getting POTS line in your pop sometimes get tricky. 2G/3G modems > with cheap plans cost like 10$/month (dunno about US though), thats > almost same as POTS line. They don't generally have public IPs (that can be arranged). verizon 4G cards have ipv6

Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list

2013-01-13 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/13/13 12:12 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Matthew Petach wrote: Thank goodness ethernet never has problems with negotiation going awry, and coming up with mismatched duplexes, and vendors never had to implement "no negotiation-auto" in their configs because you could

Re: Issues with level3?

2013-01-15 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/15/13 9:31 AM, Bruce H McIntosh wrote: On Tue, 2013-01-15 at 17:23 +, Warren Bailey wrote: I still call a /24 a class c too.. :/ lol More efficient that way - "class c" uses fewer syllables than "slash twenty four" :-) You realize that class-c address space was only found within 192/8

Re: Issues with level3?

2013-01-15 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/15/13 10:04 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote: - Original Message - On 1/15/13 9:31 AM, Bruce H McIntosh wrote: On Tue, 2013-01-15 at 17:23 +, Warren Bailey wrote: I still call a /24 a class c too.. :/ lol More efficient that way - "class c" uses fewer syllables than "slash twenty fo

Re: Problem with email to Hawaiilink.net email

2013-01-15 Thread joel jaeggli
hawaiiantel is reporting a fibercut which I imagine explains most of this. On 1/15/13 4:32 PM, Bacon Zombie wrote: Looks like you are not the only one with issues connecting to Hawaii: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.isotf.outages/5231 On 16 January 2013 00:19, david peahi wrot

Re: IPV6 in enterprise best practices/white papaers

2013-01-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/27/13 9:01 AM, Harald Koch wrote: On 26 January 2013 17:38, Mark Andrews wrote: As for "breaking" your LAN, if the applications take 60 seconds to fallback to the other address they were already broken. Go complain to your application vendor. Some vendors have already fixed this problem

Re: IPV6 in enterprise best practices/white papaers

2013-01-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/30/13 6:39 AM, Harald Koch wrote: On 30 January 2013 02:39, Jussi Peltola wrote: High density virtual machine setups can have 100 VMs per host. Each VM has at least a link-local address and a routable address. This is 200 groups per port, 9600 per 48 port switch. um - let's compare apples

Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth

2013-01-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/30/13 6:33 AM, Jason Baugher wrote: There is much talk of how many fibers can fit in a duct, can be brought into a colo space, etc... I haven't seen much mention of how much space the termination in the colo would take, such as splice trays, bulkheads, etc... Someone earlier mentioned being

Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth

2013-01-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/30/13 8:05 AM, Jason Baugher wrote: Oh, so all the fault belongs to the financial institutions, and there is no corruption within the government agencies themselves. Right. More like it's turtles all the way down. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: On 1/30/13

Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications"....

2013-01-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 11/28/12 4:17 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Tony Hain wrote: Getting the cpe vendors to ship in quantity requires the ISP engineering organizations to say in unison "we are deploying IPv6 and will only recommend products that pass testing". Do you see any evidenc

Re: ONT diagnostics (WAS: Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?)

2013-01-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/30/13 5:01 PM, Jake Khuon wrote: On Wed 30 Jan 2013 16:58:28 PST, John Osmon wrote: Does anyone make an ONT with a blinky light that you can toggle on/off remotely? It'd be great to say: Go look at the "it works" light. If the remote tech can control the light, the end user would have

Re: L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance

2013-02-05 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/5/13 10:02 AM, Jason Biel wrote: Agree as well. Bad assumption on my part that Level3 would doing the items listed in the workaround already. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Jason Biel wrote: Workaround is proper filtering and o

Re: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?

2013-02-06 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/6/13 7:43 AM, Ray Wong wrote: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 07:39:14AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote: So, I'm wondering what is shocking that someone may have to push out some sort of upgrade either urgently or periodically that is so impacting

Re: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?

2013-02-06 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/6/13 8:34 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2013, Ray Wong wrote: My impression is mostly that people are left feeling uncomfortable by a massive upgrade of this sort with so little communication about why and so on. "Emergency work for five hours and 30 minutes disconnection" t

Re: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?

2013-02-06 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/6/13 4:41 PM, Brandt, Ralph wrote: David. I am on an evening shift and am just now reading this thread. I was almost tempted to write an explanation that would have had identical content with yours based simply on Level3 doing something and keeping the information close. Responsible Vendor

Re: The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/8/13 5:23 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote: - Well, as it turns out, we don't have that kind of a problem. - You don't? - No, we do not have that kind of a problem in our network. We have plenty of bandwidth available to our customers, thank-you-every-much. - Do you have, just to make an

Re: The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/8/13 8:23 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote: The media market has fragmented, so unless we're talking about the first week in February in the US it's not all from one source or 3 or 5. Explain further. I did not get that. The superbowl is the first sunday in feb, it pulls a 75 share of the tv

Re: The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/8/13 9:02 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2013-02-08 14:15 +), Aled Morris wrote: "Multicast" I don't see multicast working in Internet scale. Essentially multicast means core is flow-routing. So we'd need some way to decide who gets to send their content as multicast and who are forced to

Re: The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/8/13 9:46 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote: About 40 - 50 Mbit/s. Not bad at all. Downloading software does not have to be in real-time, like watching a movie, does. In both cases it's actually rather convenient if it's as fast as possible, Yes. What I would like to have is to allow the acce

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/9/13 7:55 PM, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: Dear NANOG@, In light of the recent discussion titled, "The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network", I'd like to point out that smaller operators and end-sites are currently very busy having and ignoring the 10 Mbit/s problem in their networks. Hotel

Re: home network monitoring and shaping

2013-02-12 Thread Joel Maslak
I've had great luck with Cisco's fair-queue option (and similar techniques). Using RED, small queues (think on the order of 10-20 packets), and creating a choke point in and out of the network, I've implemented similar behavior on plenty of DSL lines on the CPE-side. My most successful was sharin

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-17 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/17/13 8:33 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Scott Howard" A VPN or SSH session (which is what most hotel guests traveling for work will do) won't cache at all well, so this is a very bad idea. Might improve some things, but not the really important ones. The ch

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-17 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/17/13 12:18 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Owen DeLong" I think by A you actually mean 5Ghz N. A doesn't do much better than G, though you still have the advantage of wider channels and less frequency congestion with other uses. No, my ThinkPad doesn't *do* N,

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/18/13 1:42 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Feb 17, 2013, at 21:12 , Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Sun, 17 Feb 2013, Owen DeLong wrote: Greater attenuation is an oversimplification. Along some dimensions sure, e.g. we have quite a lot of parameters we can fiddle with. With respect to an is

Re: can you share ipv6 addressallo cation

2013-02-20 Thread joel jaeggli
how you subnet a network operator is is fairly complex topic even if the principles are rather simple. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5375.html includes among other things some case studies. there's quite a lot of source material from the various nog(s) where people have presented on their own

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-25 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/25/13 8:42 AM, Warren Bailey wrote: I should probably know this, but doesn't N just spread better and have the ability to send receive on multiple polarizations? That would be a rather extreme over-simplifcation of spatial-division-multiplexing and space-time-coding. As an RF engineer I

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/27/13 6:26 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: The reason is Hilton outsources it to AT&T. They don't build the networks for performance in my experience. I have started to avoid some hotels that moved from level3 to AT&T for their Internet providers as they are very slow at peak times. Sad as we all

Re: internet in the box

2013-03-08 Thread joel jaeggli
leverage more than one dongle if you have them. joel On 3/8/13 11:30 AM, Philip Lavine wrote: Has anybody set up a Cellular front end (LTE or 3G) access to the Internet and a WiFi backend supporting 150 devices. I need to provide temporary Internet access (7 days) to a convention center room

Re: internet in the box

2013-03-08 Thread joel jaeggli
that the three cellular devices aren't right on top of each other *From:* joel jaeggli *To:* Philip Lavine ; NANOG list *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2013 11:40 AM *Subject:* Re: internet in the box cradlepoint, verizon lte wireless usb dongle and a commercial plan with the appropiate bandw

Re: traffic accounting

2013-03-12 Thread joel jaeggli
On 3/12/13 10:18 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Joe Abley wrote: On 2013-03-12, at 09:30, "Dobbins, Roland" wrote: On Mar 12, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Joe Abley wrote: What are better approaches? Flow telemetry. Can you use cflow/jflow/ipfix exports with 1:1 samp

Re: Why are there no GeoDNS solutions anywhere in sight?

2013-03-21 Thread joel jaeggli
On 3/21/13 9:27 AM, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: On 21 March 2013 04:36, Masataka Ohta wrote: Constantine A. Murenin wrote: Are you suggesting that geolocation is inaccurate enough to misplace Europe with Asia? Yes, of course. Think mobile. Why are you insisting that mobile will have wron

Re: Fwd: Class E addresses in the wild

2013-03-21 Thread joel jaeggli
On 3/21/13 11:09 AM, Buz Dale wrote: Is anyone else seeing a lot of Class E address space (240.0.0.0/4) at their borders? I'd put those is in the martian category. Has this space been reinstated in some as yet unknown to me RFC? No it hasn't. Thanks, Buz

Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification]

2013-03-24 Thread joel jaeggli
On 3/23/13 9:13 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 07:47:12PM -0700, Kyle Creyts wrote: You do realize that there are quite a few people (home broadband subscribers?) who just "go do something else" when their internet goes down, right? [...] Will they really demand ubiquitous, un

Re: Sabey opens Intergate.Manhattan DC

2013-03-24 Thread joel jaeggli
On 3/23/13 11:20 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: 1M sq ft datacenter in former VZN CO at 375 Pearl: http://www.wallstreetandtech.com/it-infrastructure/worlds-largest-high-rise-data-center-ope/240151399 From the story: """ Intergate.Manhattan is not only one of the largest facilities [at 32 stories,

Re: Open Resolver Problems

2013-03-26 Thread joel jaeggli
On 3/26/13 10:10 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Doug Barton wrote: On 03/26/2013 09:28 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 26, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu said: Now explain how you find a recursive nameserver that isn't li

Re: Open Resolver Problems

2013-03-26 Thread joel jaeggli
On 3/26/13 7:04 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 6:06 PM, John Levine wrote: As a white-hat attempting to find problems to address through legitimate means, how do you … You make friends with people with busy authoritative servers and see who's querying them. I'm confused.

Re: alexandria cable cutters?

2013-03-28 Thread joel jaeggli
On 3/28/13 1:50 PM, Andrew Latham wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Randy Bush wrote: nyt reports capture of scuba divers attempting to cut telecom egypt undersea fiber. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/03/27/world/mi

Re: Open Resolver Problems

2013-04-01 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/1/13 11:59 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 19:40:03 +0100, Tony Finch said: You should be able to get a reasonable sample of IPv6 resolvers from the query logs of a popular authoritative server. Hopefully, said logs are not easily accessible to the miscreants. Misc

Re: Speedtest Results speedtest.net vs Mikrotik bandwidth test

2013-04-03 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/3/13 6:25 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: I'm shocked Ookla hasn't been eaten by some major ISP. Speed tests are the root of most complaints. Your link is congested (oversubed) and you then attempt to completely saturate your bandwidth to tell your provider what a suck job they are doing. I can'

Re: Speedtest Results speedtest.net vs Mikrotik bandwidth test

2013-04-03 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/3/13 3:20 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: Try it with upwards of 900ms of variable latency. on linux tc qdisc add dev eth0 root netem delay 900ms 150msdistribution normal and then you can slowly test the internet to your hearts content. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original

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