Re: Donations

I have limited funds available, living on Social Security, but I have a lot of free time available and could certainly solicit hardware donations from corporations and universities if I knew better the required specifications of what the project is looking for and knew where they ought to be

Re: Donations

also, consider https://www.openbsd.org/want.html as another form of donation 73 diana

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gt; But if I understand you properly, using the other PayPal links >> should rather be used, right? > Sorry Ingo, that's incorrect. Oops, sorry for sending outdated and/or misleading information. In that case, a change to donations.html probably isn't needed. Yours, Ingo >

Re: Donations

ther > be used, right? Sorry Ingo, that's incorrect. In my view it is better to donate via the OpenBSD Foundation, and then use their not-for-profit procedures. The direct donations can be considered 'fast cash'. I'm thrilled there is a bit of fast cash available s

Re: Donations

> Le 26 oct. 2023 à 16:38, Ingo Schwarze a écrit : > > The advice is extremely simple: > > If you can, donate directly to the OpenBSD project because that means > 1. the donation can be used for any purpose, including all purposes >that can be funded by the foundation and some that can't >

Re: Donations

Ingo, you have been very kind and thoughtful in all of your replies; for this I thank you. I guess I'm used to projects I like actually wanting help from the community. The OpenBSD model baffles me. For a long time I have had a great love for the project. I think I started during 2.6 and bough

Re: Donations

ls > for the infrastructure, how about donations to the project. > > I've already many times over stated my willingness to donate time; You cannot really donate time to OpenBSD, in the way you would sell your working time to an employer, giving the time to the employer and the employer t

Donations

I see there are two types of donation receivers, the project and the foundation. What is the difference between how the money is spent between the two. The foundation from what it looks like goes to paying the bills for the infrastructure, how about donations to the project. I've already

Re: ..Re AMDGPU Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

> > Ignoring the parts of the shared > > drm/ttm code that would have to be updated the latest > > drivers/gpu/drm/amd in linux has over 1.5 million lines of code. Which > > is multiple times larger than the complete OpenBSD kernel source... > Despite everything you replied with, Jonathan's reply

..Re AMDGPU Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

er hardware. > > Do you have plans to port amdgpu? > > Would particular hardware donations or other donations be of help? > > I have no plans regarding amdgpu. > > Most people seem to be interested from the point of view of polaris/vega > which are not supported in linux 4.

Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

I have a FirePro V5900 (Cayman part from the Northern Islands family) which I run with EXA acceleration on 6.2. H264 video with a resolution of 3840x2160 and 25fps play flawlessly with the OpenGL acceleration in mpv (on a WSXGA+ display). Ostensibly this card can drive UHD monitors at their nati

Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:49:53AM -0400, Joe Gidi wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:08:12PM +1000, Jonathan Gray wrote: >> >> drivers/gpu/drm/amd in linux has over 1.5 million lines of code. >> Which >> >> is multiple times larger than the complete OpenBSD kernel source... >> >> Thanks f

Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

On 04/25/18 17:34, mazocomp wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:08:12PM +1000, Jonathan Gray wrote: drivers/gpu/drm/amd in linux has over 1.5 million lines of code. Which is multiple times larger than the complete OpenBSD kernel source... Wow, this driver is fatter than elephant. Anyway, thank

Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:49:53AM -0400, Joe Gidi wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:08:12PM +1000, Jonathan Gray wrote: > >> drivers/gpu/drm/amd in linux has over 1.5 million lines of code. Which > >> is multiple times larger than the complete OpenBSD kernel source... > > Thanks for this

Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

I have a response from an anon poster on the Linux sub on Reddit that may or may not be well informed (take it with a pinch of salt), but their posts were ostensibly more popular than my queries about amdgpu's mooted bloat, is there anyone here who can make sense of their points as to their legi

Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

On Wed, Apr 25 2018, Jonathan Gray wrote: [...] > Most people seem to be interested from the point of view of polaris/vega > which are not supported in linux 4.4. Ignoring the parts of the shared > drm/ttm code that would have to be updated the latest > drivers/gpu/drm/amd in linux has over 1.5

Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:08:12PM +1000, Jonathan Gray wrote: > drivers/gpu/drm/amd in linux has over 1.5 million lines of code. Which > is multiple times larger than the complete OpenBSD kernel source... > Wow, this driver is fatter than elephant. Anyway, thank you for updating radeondrm(4),

Re: Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

ered by radeondrm are advertised as being able to support 4k SST/MST on displayport. > > The Radeon GPU:s are important in OpenBSD's ecosystem as they are the > only way to increase graphics functionality, that not involves changing > CPU to Intel's latest, and hence change

Plans to port the amdgpu(4) driver? (=to support Radeons made 2014/2015 and after.) Hardware/other donations needed?

ging CPU to Intel's latest, and hence change motherboard and other hardware. Do you have plans to port amdgpu? Would particular hardware donations or other donations be of help? Thanks, Joseph [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units https://en.wikipedia.

Re: Per-device multiqueuing would be fantastic. Are there any plans? Are donations a matter here?

Bump 2017-02-10 22:11 GMT+08:00 Mikael : > 2017-02-10 18:39 GMT+08:00 David Gwynne : > >> > 2017-02-09 16:41 GMT+08:00 David Gwynne : >> > .. > >> i can go into more detail if you want. >> >> cheers, >> dlg >> > > Hi David, > > Thank you - yes please go into more detail! > > Also on a more concr

Re: Per-device multiqueuing would be fantastic. Are there any plans? Are donations a matter here?

2017-02-10 18:39 GMT+08:00 David Gwynne : > > 2017-02-09 16:41 GMT+08:00 David Gwynne : > .. > i can go into more detail if you want. > > cheers, > dlg > Hi David, Thank you - yes please go into more detail! Also on a more concrete level I would be the most curious to understand how far away

Re: Per-device multiqueuing would be fantastic. Are there any plans? Are donations a matter here?

> On 9 Feb 2017, at 7:11 pm, Mikael wrote: > > 2017-02-09 16:41 GMT+08:00 David Gwynne : > .. > hey mikael, > > can you be more specific about what you mean by multiqueuing for disks? even a > reference to an implementation of what you’re asking about would help me > answer this question. > > ill

Re: Per-device multiqueuing would be fantastic. Are there any plans? Are donations a matter here?

2017-02-09 16:41 GMT+08:00 David Gwynne : .. > hey mikael, > > can you be more specific about what you mean by multiqueuing for disks? > even a > reference to an implementation of what you’re asking about would help me > answer this question. > > ill write up a bigger reply after my kids are in

Re: Per-device multiqueuing would be fantastic. Are there any plans? Are donations a matter here?

? > > Was anything done to this end already, any idea when multiqueueing can > happen? > > > Are donations a matter here, if so about what size of donations and to who? > > Someone suggested that implementing it would take a year of work. > > Any clarifications of wh

Per-device multiqueuing would be fantastic. Are there any plans? Are donations a matter here?

appen? Are donations a matter here, if so about what size of donations and to who? Someone suggested that implementing it would take a year of work. Any clarifications of what's going on and what's possible and how would be much appreciated. Thanks, Mikael

Re: donations

On 16-08-20 19:24:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > It was mentioned in another post that sales of the OpenBSD CD's > > loses money. > > The effort expended vs payout received is probably on par with the > newspaper route I operated at age 16. > > I could be doing far better things than making CDs. >

Re: donations

It is all described here: http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html

Re: donations

56 -0400 > From: t...@parlementum.net > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: donations > > That works very differently as far as taxes go. Theo would have to start reporting > it as income if Canada works like the US, and things are interesting from there. > > On Sun, Aug 21, 20

Re: donations

exibility to use what you need >> for your own support and if there is any excess, you can send it to the >> Foundation. >> >> >>> From: dera...@openbsd.org >>> To: ed...@pettijohn-web.com >>> CC: misc@openbsd.org >>> Subject: Re: donations >

Re: donations

From: dera...@openbsd.org > > To: ed...@pettijohn-web.com > > CC: misc@openbsd.org > > Subject: Re: donations > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:24:10 -0600 > > > > > It was mentioned in another post that sales of the OpenBSD CD's > > > loses money

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it to the Foundation. > From: dera...@openbsd.org > To: ed...@pettijohn-web.com > CC: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: donations > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:24:10 -0600 > > > It was mentioned in another post that sales of the OpenBSD CD's > > loses money.

Re: donations

> It was mentioned in another post that sales of the OpenBSD CD's > loses money. The effort expended vs payout received is probably on par with the newspaper route I operated at age 16. I could be doing far better things than making CDs. For 20 years I really had no other choice. > Would it be

donations

It was mentioned in another post that sales of the OpenBSD CD's loses money. Would it be better to make dontations to the foundation? I don't really need the CD's so it doesn't really matter to me which I do. -- Edgar Pettijohn

BitCoin donations to the OpenBSD Foundation.

We've recently noticed a few attempts at larger Bitcoin donations to the OpenBSD Foundation. Due to the nature of these, we don't actually know who is attempting to donate, so I'm posting here. Due to changing laws, our provider (BitPay) had to limit transactions to $1000/da

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

2014-08-18 0:22 GMT+02:00 Joel Rees : > But they own the format, and 3rd party cleanroom implementations still have No. ISO does this 2007. Best Martin

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

| I've seen this before. It has never helped OpenBSD. I'll stop short of calling | the OP a troll, but boy, what an amazing distraction. I wonder who funds | him. Yep, if it's such a great idea then why aren't these suggestion makers doing it? The answer is that it would be a colossal waste o

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

> > Well yes, but those are problems with Adobe's dreadful reader, > > not with the (standardised) format itself. > > Unfortunately, the format itself breeds holes. > > Being a fan of postfix languages, it's been a bit of a bitter pill for me, > but I've done some of the math. The problem is not

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

2014/08/17 20:50 "Norman Gray" : > > [...] > > Well yes, but those are problems with Adobe's dreadful reader, > not with the (standardised) format itself. Unfortunately, the format itself breeds holes. Being a fan of postfix languages, it's been a bit of a bitter pill for me, but I've done some o

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

Theo, hello. On 2014 Aug 17, at 18:09, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Noone is going to bother setting up sales for something that can be > trivially reproduced. But that's the odd thing about the Python Reference Manual I linked to [1]. It's identical to the downloadable version of the same document

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

> I'll spell this out again: It has been claimed that some people would > buy a printed text who would not buy CDs (this was originally Worik > Stanton's suggestion, and I think it's plausible). If such an artefact can > be produced and distributed trivially easily (I think I have demonstrated > t

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

Mihai, hello. On 2014 Aug 17, at 09:50, Mihai Popescu wrote: > To OP: I presume you're addressing me? > and yet you are asking for more and try to > suggest crazy things. No, I'm not asking for more. I'm offering code, and a mildly reorganised FAQ source text which would incidentally make it

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

Nick, hello. On 2014 Aug 17, at 11:02, Nick Holland wrote: > I used to generate PDF files of the FAQ. I stopped this a few years > ago, when I decided that the use of PDF files was not to be encouraged > in any way, shape or form. Adobe writes crap code and does what they > can to push it onto

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

On 08/16/14 14:00, Norman Gray wrote: ... > At you will find, > for your delectation and delight: > > * A PDF of sections 1--5 of the FAQ; > * An HTML version of this; > * A tarball containing the source of the scripts which generate these >

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

To OP: I think you are polluting the list for nothing. Renaming threads is also awkward since you can't follow them. Let me clarify for you: all that OpenBSD developers can offer is already out for free. They asked for your (our) donations to keep the project going on and they did that wi

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

On 14-08-16 01:01 PM, Norman Gray wrote: To do this, I took the HTML versions of the FAQ sections, and normalised them into regular XHTML (which makes them processable into other forms). With that done, it was straightforward to transform the result into both HTML for presentation, and into LaTe

Re: PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Norman Gray wrote: > Greetings. > > Some way up this thread, I said: > > On 2014 Aug 14, at 11:21, Norman Gray wrote: > > > On 2014 Aug 14, at 01:10, Worik Stanton wrote: > > > >> Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation > >> into

PDF FAQ [Was: Donations to OpenBSD]

Greetings. Some way up this thread, I said: On 2014 Aug 14, at 11:21, Norman Gray wrote: > On 2014 Aug 14, at 01:10, Worik Stanton wrote: > >> Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation >> into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same >> pla

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

Why not just set up a recurring Paypal donation? Even $20/mo should help, if enough people do it. -James Shupe

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

This is from the Electricity thread but seems on point: > Dear Misc, > > In re electricity, please do one of the following: > > 1.Send money. > 2.Convince OTHER PEOPLE to send money. This next bit is important, and is being overlooked again: > 3.Stop summoning the Good Idea Fairy t

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Eric Furman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014, at 02:02 AM, Bernte wrote: > > On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: > > >> Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to > the > > >> OpenB

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014, at 02:02 AM, Bernte wrote: > On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: > >> Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the > >> OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (fro

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On 14/08/14 16:14, Nicolai wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: >> Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the >> OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from >> the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

We know... ;) Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Aug 2014, at 16:14, Nicolai wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: >> Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the >> OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from >> th

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

nate, don't > :want stuff in return, don't want middle men taking a cut.. > : > : > :On 14/08/14 09:59, Janne Johansson wrote: > :>Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. > :>I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-for-you w

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

2014-08-14 19:13 GMT+02:00 Theo de Raadt : > Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the > net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? ? ixsoft.de is still listed as reseller on http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html Did I miss something? Best Martin

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Daniel Villarreal wrote: > It means "Producer," or "maker" also "manufacturer" ... -- "Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV" - Michael Pollan, author of "In Defense of Food"

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

It means "Producer," or "maker" If you do a search, you will see that they sell a lot of OpenBSD stuffare they or are they not selling official merchandise? I'd like to hear what German OpenBSD users think of the situation. If they're too busy, let me know. Daniel Villarreal On Thu, Aug 14,

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

>> Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the >> stickers, paid for download at CD price. > Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the > net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? I did a quick check out of curiosity and there they are, Open

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

> Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of the > stickers, paid for download at CD price. Which then get shared, and reproduced by any asshole company on the net, much like ixsoft.de has been doing for years? > To fund the project yes but CD's are THE? route to fund Theo's on

Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations to OpenBSD

previously on this list Nicolai contributed: > The OpenBSD Foundation. > > http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html > > Theo has mentioned it several times this year as being the preferred > route. It's as simple as possible. Another idea I guess with next to no work- high res copies of

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 07:16:41AM +0100, Bernte wrote: > Could you please just clarify: I have money and I want that to go to the > OpenBSD project. I would like as much as possible to make it there (from > the UK in my case), I would like to give the OpenBSD people the highest > degree of freedom

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

Greetings. On 2014 Aug 14, at 01:10, Worik Stanton wrote: > Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation > into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same > place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap > O'Reilly sell, an

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

to be in the UK. :>I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-for-you way even if you :>don't need a product back. :> :> :> :>2014-08-14 8:16 GMT+02:00 Bernte : :> :>>On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: :>>>>How does it compare for using

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

We've found this strangely difficult to do also.. Just want to donate, don't want stuff in return, don't want middle men taking a cut.. On 14/08/14 09:59, Janne Johansson wrote: Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. I'm sure they can arrange for d

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

Talk to www.openbsdeurope.com, which happens to be in the UK. I'm sure they can arrange for donations in a simple-for-you way even if you don't need a product back. 2014-08-14 8:16 GMT+02:00 Bernte : > On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> How does it compare for

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On 14/08/14 01:10, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> How does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? > > The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which > the Foundation doesn't pay for. Gee - CDs, T-Shirts, Project, Foundation - all this

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

Seems pretty easy to make donations. Send money. Don't want a CD? OK, Send money. The documentation is already provided, the FAQ is an excellent codicil to the man pages. No need for a PDF really. There is a clear need for money. Demonstrate your willingness and interest to contribu

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

Then buy the damn CD and have it shipped to Theo. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Worik Stanton wrote: > I changed the subject line > > On 14/08/14 10:52, Eric Furman wrote: > > Fine, buy a T-shirt, but realize that only a small fraction of the cost > > actually goes to OpenBSD. When you b

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

I just donated money to pay for the developer's time in responding to this useless thread. =P Theo de Raadt: >> Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation >> into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same >> place. I'd buy that. It would be bett

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On 8/13/14, Worik Stanton wrote: > On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: >> You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request >> the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's >> my preferred donation method. > > Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely th

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

> Suggestion: Package the release notes, FAQ and some other documentation > into a PDF and sell that at the same price as the CD, from the same > place. I'd buy that. It would be better quality than the (often) crap > O'Reilly sell, and I buy that. We should do more... Then you'll give us more

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On 14/08/14 11:55, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Well OBVIOUSLY CDs accumulate more revenue than T-shirts, so recently > we've not made any T-shirts because it isn't worth it, the setup costs > and overheads are higher than the number sold. If you guys don't buy > enough of them, then we don't do the set

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

does it compare for using the SWIFT method outlined on the website? The SWIFT donations go to the Project. That is spent on things which the Foundation doesn't pay for.

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On 14/08/14 11:45, patrick keshishian wrote: > You can do what I do. I purchase the CDs but request > the vendor not to send me the actual, physical CDs. That's > my preferred donation method. Cool. Where does the money all go in that case? Definitely the most simple option so far. How does it

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

D persists in the future. Come on, the web pages regarding donations are more than clear about how things work. Refer to http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html. There is a Foundation following government imposed rules. There is a Project, which is not a corporation, so that the Foundation can hel

Re: Donations to OpenBSD

On 8/13/14, Worik Stanton wrote: > I changed the subject line > > On 14/08/14 10:52, Eric Furman wrote: >> Fine, buy a T-shirt, but realize that only a small fraction of the cost >> actually goes to OpenBSD. When you buy a CD the vast majority >> of the cost goes to OpenBSD. Who cares whether

Donations to OpenBSD

I changed the subject line On 14/08/14 10:52, Eric Furman wrote: > Fine, buy a T-shirt, but realize that only a small fraction of the cost > actually goes to OpenBSD. When you buy a CD the vast majority > of the cost goes to OpenBSD. Who cares whether you need the > CD or not. Buy if for the c

The OpenBSD Foundation now accepts BitCoin donations...

I'm happy to announce the OpenBSD foundation can now accept donations to assist in funding project activities in BTC. We are using BitPay.com to host our BitCoin donations, which are converted to CAD for use by the project. If you have been interested in making donations in BitCoin, please

US Paypal Donations Appears Broken

It appears the US donations area is broken. Following PayPal from http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html, I am taken to http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html. >From http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html, I select "US Donations" and then taken to PayPal. PayPal&#x

Donations AMD smp nodes

Hi, Emailed dev but think the mail was stripped because of attachments. We have some racks of appro AMD blade servers that have been decommissioned and are set to be disposed of. I got ok to donate some or all.These were used in energy HPC environment for seismic data processing. Email offl

Re: Donations

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > Err, that's supposed to be essential liberty and temporary security. > > Any society that *doesn't* give up at least a little liberty is anarchy and > Franklin was not, to my knowledge, an anarchist. It seems that You consider killing people o

Re: Donations

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > Does publicly accusing Paypal of defamation before a trial finds > Paypal guilty count as defamation? It works for crimes with certain punishment margins. Accusing PayPal of killing peaple, spying or frauding may be brought to court. Accusing

Re: Donations

> This is my source: > That states "This quotation is at least partly spurious" :) Julf

Re: Donations

2010/12/12 Johan Helsingius : > Jasper, > >> Imho this Thomas Jefferson quote is better suited for the subject. ;-) > > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp > This is my source: -- We spend the first twelve mo

Re: Donations

Jasper, > Imho this Thomas Jefferson quote is better suited for the subject. ;-) http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp Julf

Re: Donations

2010/12/10 Leonardo Rodrigues : > To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin (an american! diplomat!): > > "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little > security will deserve neither and lose both." Imho this Thomas Jefferson quote is better suited for the subject. ;-) "If the American

Re: Donations

2010/12/10 Stuart VanZee : > I would have to agree that the people of the United States have lost > some of their essential libertys. The problem has been in defining what > exactly ARE the essential libertys and then getting our congress and our > president to keep their mitts off of them. Still

Re: Donations

> Err, that's supposed to be essential liberty and temporary security. > > Any society that *doesn't* give up at least a little liberty > is anarchy and > Franklin was not, to my knowledge, an anarchist. > > On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues > > wrote: > > > To paraphrase Benjamin Fr

Re: Donations

Err, that's supposed to be essential liberty and temporary security. Any society that *doesn't* give up at least a little liberty is anarchy and Franklin was not, to my knowledge, an anarchist. On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues wrote: > To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin (an american

Re: Donations

To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin (an american! diplomat!): "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Re: Donations

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > Untill one is found guilty by court, any public occusations against him are > considered defamation (criminal activity on it's own). > > So, according to legal regulations PayPal's activity towards Wikileaks account > should be brought t

Re: Donations

On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 19:53:54 + Miod Vallat wrote: > > > Meaning, if you kill a cow in this life, you come back > > > as a cow and someone can kill you. > > > > Time to start eating humans instead ;-) > > > Please don't. It's difficult enough to get healthy young children for > breakfast tho

Re: Donations

> > Meaning, if you kill a cow in this life, you come back > > as a cow and someone can kill you. > > Time to start eating humans instead ;-) > Please don't. It's difficult enough to get healthy young children for breakfast those days, I don't need competition. Miod

Re: Donations

On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:42:00 -0800 Mehma Sarja wrote: > Meaning, if you kill a cow in this life, you come back > as a cow and someone can kill you. Time to start eating humans instead ;-)

Re: Donations

On 10 December 2010 03:42, Mehma Sarja wrote: > On 12/9/10 4:54 AM, Chandrakant Kumar wrote: >> >> On Thursday 09 December 2010 05:39 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: >>> >>> On 05/12/10 23:04, Adam M. Dutko wrote: > > I hope that one day due process is denied you. > I am wondering

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:42:00 -0800 Mehma Sarja wrote: > That's why Americans call cowburgers hamburgers, for fear of > repercussions from the holy land. But seriously, re-incarnation takes > care of all that. Meaning, if you kill a cow in this life, you come > back as a cow and someone can kill

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On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 06:15:50PM +0100, Bret S. Lambert wrote: > > you come back as a cow > ^^^ > I thought it was a toilet brush? > > You just can't trust reincarnation this life. In my former life I used to believe in reincarnation, but now I know it's bullshit.

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> you come back as a cow ^^^ I thought it was a toilet brush? You just can't trust reincarnation this life.

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On 12/9/10 4:54 AM, Chandrakant Kumar wrote: On Thursday 09 December 2010 05:39 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: On 05/12/10 23:04, Adam M. Dutko wrote: I hope that one day due process is denied you. I am wondering what type of due process should be granted to these individuals. What basis/ju

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On Thursday 09 December 2010 05:39 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: On 05/12/10 23:04, Adam M. Dutko wrote: I hope that one day due process is denied you. I am wondering what type of due process should be granted to these individuals. What basis/jurisdiction of law are we talking about? Natu

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