Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread hari kumar via groups.io
Hello Tom: How much credence do you think there is to this following thought - That since Marx was 'working things out' in 'Grundrisse' he simply developed his arguments in a differing way. For example the page-half of the start of what became 'The Commodity" in Volume 1 as Chapter 1? Thanks for

Re: [marxmail] A conspiracy of American and Russian imperialisms behind the back of Ukraine by Oleg Vernik

2025-02-18 Thread Charles Keener via groups.io
Amen! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35305): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/35305 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/111263102/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replyin

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Tom Walker via groups.io
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 05:26 PM, Charlie wrote: > > Exactly the wrong way to "evaluate" and operate. What counts is not text > versus text. What counts is which concepts model real life the best. Your > textualism is a firm opposite to materialism. Do you have a crush on me, Charlie? -=-=-=-=

Re: [marxmail] Support the Resolution Against Zenith Energy!

2025-02-18 Thread David Walters via groups.io
Mark thank you for posting the OTHER link that actually did provide some information and what you posted by way of an explanation. The initial link doesn't even mention "green line" or any, at all, of the issues involved. It was merely about the Resolution up before the Portland city council. W

Re: [marxmail] Support the Resolution Against Zenith Energy!

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 18, 2025, at 6:38 PM, David Walters via groups.io > wrote: > > I'm not against them all if we actually need them since we will need tons of > fossil fuels to get off of high carbon generation and transportation. But what makes you think that the capitalists are not burning addition

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 18, 2025, at 5:26 PM, Charlie via groups.io > wrote: > > What counts is which concepts model real life the best. Reasonable and informed people can - and do - disagree on that. So often people will ask which components Marx thought modeled real life the best. Now we are in the rea

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread David Walters via groups.io
I never saw it coming, Mark. The term is theirs, not mine. If you follow Saito and Foster, it is a term they use. But it should be discussed more fully, obviously. David -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35298): https://gr

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:54 PM, David Walters via groups.io > wrote: > > I never saw it coming, Mark. The term is theirs, not mine. If you follow > Saito and Foster, it is a term they use. But it should be discussed more > fully, obviously. > It is "degrowth." Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Charlie
Walker: 'Marx was always "working things out" and thus it is unwise to pick a sentence from this 1852 letter or a passage from that 1859 preface as the definitive statement of "Historical Materialism." That isn't how I operate. When I cite a passage from the Grundrisse, it is not because th

[marxmail] Chris Hedges: The Purge of the Deep State and the Road to Dictatorship

2025-02-18 Thread Charles Keener via groups.io
The Purge of the Deep State and the Road to Dictatorship The Purge of the Deep State and the Road to Dictatorship Donald Trump’s dismantling of the deep state presages the formation of something far worse. The Trump administration’s war with the deep state is not a purgative. It is not about

[marxmail] A conspiracy of American and Russian imperialisms behind the back of Ukraine by Oleg Vernik

2025-02-18 Thread All-Ukrainian independent trade union "Zakhyst Pratsi" via groups.io
https://lis-isl.org/en/2025/02/17/conspiracion-del-imperialismo-norteamericano-y-ruso-a-espaldas-de-ucrania/ A conspiracy of American and Russian imperialisms behind the back of Ukraine. The transformation of the “world order” has begun By Oleg Vernik, Leadership of the Independent Trade Union of

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Tom Walker via groups.io
hari kumar asked: > How much credence do you think there is to this following thought - > That since Marx was 'working things out' in 'Grundrisse' he simply > developed his arguments in a differing way. Absolutely, Marx was always "working things out" and thus it is unwise to pick a sentence fro

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread David Walters via groups.io
[I want to address Mark B.'s new, it seems, adherence to de-development separately.] I wanted to respond to the "nuclear energy equals nuclear WMD" urban legend(s). There IS a connection between civilian nuclear energy and nuclear weapons bit is not what anyone thinks on this list. The only cou

Re: [marxmail] Ben Seattle reviews the MarxMail forum on "What's Next for the Left?"

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 17, 2025, at 9:31 PM, Ben Seattle via groups.io > wrote: > > My post also criticized Proyect's approval for the maneuvers of these "corn > fed" bureaucrats in their treachery. I wasn't on the list or following it back then, but I talked to Louis a few times a year. We talked about

[marxmail] Support the Resolution Against Zenith Energy!

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
FYI. Friend, I'm attending an event called Support the Resolution Against Zenith Energy!. For too long, the City of Portland has refused to take action to protect Portlanders from the hazardous fossil fuels of Houston-based Zenith Energy. Since Zenith's 2022 LUCS approval, City officials have

Re: [marxmail] Why Donald Trump’s Obsession with Greenland Is All About China

2025-02-18 Thread racatiwood via groups.io
I'm reminded of this interview: https://www.democracynow.org/2024/12/27/greenland_trump_colonialism Greenlanders want control over their natural resources, and to have multiple clients to choose between and get leverage over. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages se

Re: [marxmail] Chris Hedges: The Mafia State / The Empire Self Destructs

2025-02-18 Thread workerpoet via groups.io
Hedges is the king of jeremiads but there is much truth in it as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35283): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/35283 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/111238967/21656 -=-=- POSTING R

Re: [marxmail] Support the Resolution Against Zenith Energy!

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 18, 2025, at 11:16 AM, David Walters via groups.io > wrote: > > Mark both in your post and the link you provided I don't see anything > specific they are opposing except the general anti-fossil fuel perspective. > Can you explain? Sorry, that posting doesn't meet our informational

[marxmail] Trump the "peacemaker" like Hitler the "chancellor of peace"

2025-02-18 Thread John Reimann via groups.io
*Friedenskanzler*, i.e. Chancellor of Peace. If we tell you that’s what Hitler was called before he started the Second World War, you won’t believe your ears. And yet it’s true, because the image of a “pacifist” Hitler was cultivated not only by his acolytes, but also by those Europeans – and they

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 18, 2025, at 8:58 AM, David Walters via groups.io > wrote: > > I want to address Mark B.'s new, it seems, adherence to de-development > separately. You make it sound like "new adherence" is a bad thing, David. And it's not de-development. Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io L

[marxmail] The liberal establishment is finally criticizing ethnic cleansing in Gaza - now that they can blame Trump!

2025-02-18 Thread Dennis Brasky via groups.io
Some of the most fervent pushback to Donald Trump’s plan for Gaza is coming from the same people, institutions, and newsrooms that refused to challenge, and even supported, the mass slaughter of Palestinians during the Biden administration. What we find is that there is a manufacturing of a moral h

Re: [marxmail] Ben Seattle reviews the MarxMail forum on "What's Next for the Left?"

2025-02-18 Thread Ben Seattle
Hi folks, -- 1 -- First, I would like to thank John Reimann and Mark Baugher for catching and correcting my error re: the number of MarxMail subscribers.  I am not sure how I managed to make that error.  I will correct this when I next update the PDF. -- 2 -- John commented on the role of the

Re: [marxmail] Support the Resolution Against Zenith Energy!

2025-02-18 Thread David Walters via groups.io
Mark both in your post and the link you provided I don't see anything specific they are opposing except the general anti-fossil fuel perspective. Can you explain? David -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35291): https://gro

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Charlie
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 01:48 PM, Tom Walker wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 04:29 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > >> And this calls into question another quotation from Marx's 1859 Critique >> of Political Economy: >> >> "At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of >> soc

Re: [marxmail] Why Donald Trump’s Obsession with Greenland Is All About China

2025-02-18 Thread Charlie
See also https://newworker.us/international/heading-for-war-the-china-u-s-rivalry-over-greenland/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35293): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/35293 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/111

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Tom Walker via groups.io
On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 04:29 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > And this calls into question another quotation from Marx's 1859 Critique > of Political Economy: > > "At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of > society come into conflict with the existing relations of product

Re: [marxmail] Ben Seattle reviews the MarxMail forum on "What's Next for the Left?"

2025-02-18 Thread Avram Rips via groups.io
How does that work out when thru align themselves in 2018 with despicable Coumo? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/nyregion/andrew-cuomo-working-families-party.html On Tuesday, February 18, 2025, workerpoet via groups.io wrote: > " our movement is polarized between the path of subservience to

Re: [marxmail] Ben Seattle reviews the MarxMail forum on "What's Next for the Left?"

2025-02-18 Thread workerpoet via groups.io
[Edited Message Follows] " our movement is polarized between the path of subservience to the Democrats and the path of independent class politics." Much of this has to do with how we can most effectively use the options we have while and looking to  independent possibilities in the future. Joe

Re: [marxmail] Ben Seattle reviews the MarxMail forum on "What's Next for the Left?"

2025-02-18 Thread workerpoet via groups.io
" our movement is polarized between the path of subservience to the Democrats and the path of independent class politics." Much of this has to do with how we can most effectively use the options we have while and looking to  independent possibilities in the future. Joe Sims, co-chair of the CPU

Re: [marxmail] Ben Seattle reviews the MarxMail forum on "What's Next for the Left?"

2025-02-18 Thread workerpoet via groups.io
It is what it is NOW but if enough of us join it, we can transform it -- this seems to me a far more rational tactic than the delusions that we can either take over the Democrats or that we can build a Communist party into the mass movement needed anytime soon.  As far as the WFP, I have no loya

[marxmail] Trump Cuts Target Next Generation of Scientists and Public Health Leaders

2025-02-18 Thread Dennis Brasky via groups.io
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/18/us/politics/fda-cdc-health-department-trump.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35280): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/35280 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/111251503/21656 -=

[marxmail] Can Israel Destroy Iran’s Nuclear Program?

2025-02-18 Thread Dennis Brasky via groups.io
U.S. intelligence has concluded that the odds of an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear program in the next few months are high, according to major American media, but the jury is out on whether Israel can destroy its archfoe’s nuclear facilities on its own. Iran is widely believed to be at its *weak

[marxmail] Why Donald Trump’s Obsession with Greenland Is All About China

2025-02-18 Thread Dennis Brasky via groups.io
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