What political forces, however small, are campaigning either in Taiwan or in
the wider region for "For a democratic socialist Taiwan within a socialist
federation of East Asia!"
regards
dan
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You might consider moving the last several posts concerning AI and LLM's to a
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This was written over 20 years ago. Things haven't changed?
Modern, mostly university sites or large funded private archives, had put their
documents into a form that allows for on-the-fly formatting. This also allows
the files to be sorted and searched in a database format, basically almost
in
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 09:15 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> I read recently (not on an LLM) that Das Kapital constitutes 1/70th of
> Marx's economic writings. If you choose not to be a Marxist monk, search
> tools can be very helpful
FROM MARX TO MAO website: About the Search Engine And What It Wi
> On Feb 27, 2025, at 10:18, sartesian via groups.io
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> MIA already has, and for some time, a search tool that does that work.
>
The query interface is primitive compared to LLMs. The MIA is great, but I'd
like to find an LLM that supports queries on the MEGA.
I don't want to
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 09:15 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> If you choose not to be a Marxist monk, search tools can be very helpful.
> I have not yet found an LLM, however, that reports having access to MEGA.
> But that's a logical step - once we have safe procedures for using an
> LLM.ut
MIA alr
> On Feb 26, 2025, at 17:09, sartesian via groups.io
> wrote:
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> It, AI, is a billion digital androids of Joseph Goebbels.
>
Then give them all lobotomies and simple, useful tasks that are verifiable like
"what reference wrote X," "where did Y say Z," and "what references describe W"
rath
marxism.com The Spark (RCI Taiwan) 05 August 2022
[by Ted Grant's apostles]
The Taiwan National Question and the Tasks of the Taiwanese Marxists
"... As Marxist we refuse to take sides in what, from the point of view of
workers and the poor, is a false dichotomy; a choice between two
reactiona
I think the distinction is that AI is self-referential--not only is the
"information" it presents derivative, but is derived from links and chains
"validated" by the use of the AI itself. So user 1 reproduces information from
AI enterprise B, enterprise B then absorbs that very reproduction and
> On Feb 26, 2025, at 13:58, sartesian via groups.io
> wrote:
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> FWIW, I'd suggest prohibiting reproduction of AI responses
>
Maybe. I think unidentified AI response posts are wrong. But what about
reproducing the response by paraphrasing the response? Instead, why not
reassert our tradi
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 02:10 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> We no doubt need an AI policy for contributions to this list.
FWIW, I'd suggest prohibiting reproduction of AI responses
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On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:31 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> the phrase "the Stalinist-capitalist regime in Beijing" is a tortured
> ahistorical oxymoron in my view.
Not if your group traces its origins to the International Socialist Tendency
and state capitalist theory, as I believe is the case h
> On Feb 26, 2025, at 08:28, dan via groups.io
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> No sources for the time being because this is not necessary
Your quote makes conclusions about two completely different systems, four
hundred years apart, from nation states having different modes of production in
a different
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 01:31 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> That was interesting, but the phrase "the Stalinist-capitalist regime in
> Beijing" is a tortured ahistorical oxymoron in my view.
And all 3 at once! That's impressive.
But...not that I necessarily agree with MP's characterization, nor t
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> On Feb 26, 2025, at 08:43, RKOB via groups.io
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> http://links.org.au/did-chinese-communist-party-always-consider-taiwan-part-chinese-nation
That was interesting, but the phrase "the Stalinist-capitalist regime in
Beijing" is a tortured ahistorical oxymoron in my view.
Mark
Yes, the CPC advocated the right of national self-determination until
the early 1940s.
*Did the Chinese Communist Party always consider Taiwan as part of the
Chinese nation?*
by Michael Pröbsting, /LINKS/ (Links International Journal of Socialist
Renewal), 06 October 2022.
http://links.org
No sources for the time being because this is not necessary
It is not about specific facts but about general observations that are obvious
to everyone..
And as a historian I know very well how the VOC operated...
how Leopold II operated in his Congo Free State...
and how the Belgian State deal
https://newbloommag.net/2024/08/06/qiao-tw-mr/
On Wednesday, February 26, 2025, Avram Rips via groups.io wrote:
> No alike and different. That’s the extent of the pro authoritarian
> government “left” where you think everyone will cheer if Taiwan is
> permanently occupied by China. Oh by the wa
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 04:29 AM, duen filan wrote:
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> Ukraine is a sovereign nation, while Taiwan is one of China's islands.
Would that we had the power in both cases to hold plebicites ensuring that the
people rather than competing states determined their destiny.
In the absence of such pl
> On Feb 26, 2025, at 07:59, dan via groups.io
> wrote:
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> Yes, economically and financially the strategy of both the VOC then and China
> now is much more rational than traditional military conquests and colonial
> rule. This is because they gain influence and wealth without the high cost
You said:
The Dutch VOC set up trading posts all over the world without ever actually
occupying those countries. Is this comparable to what China is doing in the
Third World now?
ChatGPT said:
That is an interesting comparison. The Dutch VOC (Vereenigde Oostindische
Compagnie) set up trading po
No alike and different. That’s the extent of the pro authoritarian
government “left” where you think everyone will cheer if Taiwan is
permanently occupied by China. Oh by the way there’s a left in Taiwan.
On Wednesday, February 26, 2025, duen filan via groups.io wrote:
> The chart in Ben Seatt
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 07:29 AM, duen filan wrote:
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> When Taiwan finally goes down, all of Asia will cheer, as it did after
> learning imperial Japan had just bombed the crap out of the white
> supremacist pigs' Pearl Harbour fleet.
>
>
First, the island sustained an indigenous populat
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 09:50 PM, Charles wrote:
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> ...talk to the Congolese copper miners and truckers who toil for Chinese
> state corporations.
In his quest to show demonstrate that Lenin's inter-imperialist rivalry best
describes contemporary international relations, notably between the US
The chart in Ben Seattle's post asks the question "Is Taiwan like
Ukraine?"
I'll bite - No, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, while Taiwan is one of
China's islands that has enjoyed the protection of America's war ships over
the past eighty years.
When Taiwan finally goes down, all of Asia will ch
Gandall says we must "distinguish between the colonial and post-colonial (aka
neocolonial) eras when he proposes that China and Russia have the same
ambitions and are somehow engaged in the same scramble for overseas possessions
as were the British, French, German, US, Dutch, Belgian, Russian, a
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 07:54 PM, Charles wrote:
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> Right, ignore decades of left scholarship about neocolonialism – the
> maintenance of economic domination by more powerful capitalist countries
> over the same areas that were colonies.
1. "The maintenance of economic domination by the more po
Once again, we get grand conclusions supported by an outright falsehood or two.
We are told of "a post-colonial [era] in which the European and Japanese
empires of Lenin's time were stripped of the colonial possessions which defined
them as imperialist." Right, ignore decades of left scholarshi
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 04:53 PM, Charles wrote:
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> A basic fact, basic in reality and basic to Lenin's study, is that the era
> of 'free competition' ended then, replaced by monopoly capitalism. For
> economic and political reasons that Lenin explained but Gandall tries to
> erase, there cannot
If we agree that the "truth is concrete" that means tendencies, trends, shifts,
movements in and between the classes embodied the mode of production can be
measured. So for your claim that China is replacing the US as imperialism's
"top dog" to be concrete it has to be manifest itself in the ca
Sean's first line: "A focus on GDP and national accounts gives a
misleading picture of US economic power."
Both Sean and Michael Roberts are superb at tracking profits. That's
only a rough proxy for surplus value extraction, of course. There are so
many ways - IP control, marketing, financing,
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 07:12 PM, Ben Seattle wrote:
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> My opinion is that China is gradually replacing the US as the world's top
> imperialist power.
>
>
What has occurred in the last ten years that specific to China provides
evidence that it is replacing the US as the world's top imp
Gandall tries to quote-monger Lenin, calling the "1860-1880 period as one in
which, though scattered wars broke out, 'free competition was predominant' in
relations between states." A basic fact, basic in reality and basic to Lenin's
study, is that the era of 'free competition' ended then, repl
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 03:40 PM, Charles wrote:
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> Capital is an economic concept. What idiot would require a geographic proviso
> for contradictions between capitalist powers, for “territory which they
> could exclusively control and shield from competition from foreign
> corporations”?
Capit
Hi everyone,
I have not been following this entire thread, but this caught my eye:
Marv:
> Charlie has not answered Sartesian’s query as to
> whether he believes China is displacing the US as
> the global hegemon
My opinion is that China is gra
Capital is an economic concept. What idiot would require a geographic proviso
for contradictions between capitalist powers, for “territory which they could
exclusively control and shield from competition from foreign corporations”?
The peoples are witnessing a re-division of the world which can
Charlie has not answered Sartesian’s query as to whether he believes China is
displacing the US as the global hegemon, but it is clear from his frequent
posts to the list that this is his position. He views China as a rival
imperialist power bent on displacing the US much as the German empire ai
Interesting topic. I would like to see a comparison of the profits earned by
US TNCs alongside a column indicating what percentage of those profits earned
abroad make their way to the American working class. For example, if the
aerospace industry earns $100B a year, how much of it makes its w
Refusing to admit that he did not read, Gandall instead tries to deny what I
reported. He states the data does not square with a Starrs-Roberts assertion.
Gandall ought to write the PRC National Bureau of Statistics and let them know.
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Charlie is mixing apples and pears and pretending the confusion lies with his
critics like myself.
My reference was not to Charlie's snippet from the Chinese National Bureau of
Statistics purporting to show "foreign-funded enterprises" responsible for
roughly a third of its total exports, alth
Gandall says my "preferred measure of economic strength appears to be the
export intensity of countries which does not distinguish between the dollar
share of their domestic exporters and that of foreign corporations operating on
their territory."
The post in question specifically made this dis
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 06:50 PM, Charles wrote:
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> Roberts and Starrs bloviate about foreign companies in China and their
> exports... China's exports are a decreasing portion of its economy... When
> it comes to the position of China's state and pr
On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 06:50 PM, Charles wrote:
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> Roberts and Starrs bloviate about foreign companies in China and their
> exports... China's exports are a decreasing portion of its economy... When
> it comes to the position of China's state and private capitalists in the
> world economy, Gand
Context would be great, Charlie. So exactly what is the context behind your
"snippets"? What exactly is your point? The US is/is not being eclipsed by
China? China is/is not emerging as a new hegemon. The US bourgeoisie don't
have ownership/claim to the greatest portion of profits allocated
Gandall and his bros of the moment Roberts and Starrs bloviate about foreign
companies in China and their exports. It is just a snippet of economics with no
overall framework.
So let us throw in one more snippet. The chart shows exports as a percentage of
GDP. As you can see, China's exports ar
Sartesian makes several very important points. Interesting also to note that
Starrs’ views largely coincide with those of Michael Roberts, who I highly
regard even if not wholly convinced by his insistence on the tendency of the
rate of profit to fall.
Sean Starrs from Kings College, London the
> On Feb 23, 2025, at 09:32, Charlie via groups.io
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> If you think the China-US contradiction today develops at the same rate as
> the US-British relation back then,
No, that's not what I wrote.
Mark
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First off, we've been hearing about the demise and replacement of US capitalism
in the world markets for years. Brazil, the pre-China, was supposed to be the
great replacement, then it was going to be the EU, then Japan, then the "Asian
Tigers," then China, then the BRICS, then China, then--wha
On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 12:17 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> The US overtook Great Britain in GDP in the 1870s but did not supplant the
> British Empire for another 70 years. There was other stuff going on,
> Charlie, like the fact that the US was built with British capital.
If you think the China-
> On Feb 23, 2025, at 08:32, Charlie via groups.io
> wrote:
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> On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 10:57 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
> What about the main point of the article, Charlie, which is that GDP is a
> poor metric and not as useful as surplus-value extraction? Useful for what?
> Definitely usefu
On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 10:57 AM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> What about the main point of the article, Charlie, which is that GDP is a
> poor metric and not as useful as surplus-value extraction?
Useful for what?
Definitely useful for waving aside lots of material realities.
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> On Feb 22, 2025, at 22:17, Charlie via groups.io
> wrote:
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> • China is displacing the U.S. in trade with country after country.
>
> • China is displacing the U.S. and Western powers in taking raw materials out
> of Africa.
>
> • China has built up its military at a far faster rate t
Without going into the author's accounting, it serves here as a failed attempt
to avoid the political-economic contradiction between the U.S. and the PRC.
• China is displacing the U.S. in trade with country after country.
• China is displacing the U.S. and Western powers in taking raw materials
> On Feb 22, 2025, at 8:24 PM, Marv Gandall via groups.io
> wrote:
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> While the example of DeepSeek has shown us that China can still be
> extraordinarily adaptable within these constraints, essentially developing a
> more efficient copy of ChatGPT using much less resources (and third-tier
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