> On Mar 2, 2025, at 11:08, dan via groups.io
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> I will temporarily agree to your thesis
Whose thesis, Dan? You have been asked a few times today to please indicate who
or what you are referring to. A little snippet from the message that you are
responding to would do that.
Mark
A wise man on this site recently remarked that cherry picking from the past to
use it in a completely different context was not allowed. Because this is
nonsense, I will temporarily agree to your thesis below for arguments sake…
Suppose that every "leftist" worldwide is now campaigning for revol
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[Reason: Apologies. Editorial corrections.]
On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 08:02 AM, hari kumar wrote:
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> I do think that just as most Marxist-Leninists and Marxists would
> generally agree that the rule of an capitalist ruling class domestically
> in a single state - is most u
On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 08:02 AM, hari kumar wrote:
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> I do think that just as most Marxist-Leninists and Marxists would
> generally agree that the rule of an capitalist ruling class domestically
> in a single state - is most unlikely to be overcome by the proletarian or
> toilers except by the u
On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 11:30 AM, duen filan wrote:
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> , "The correct revolutionary Marxist position should have been as follows:
> to support fully all mass struggles and uprisings, whether armed or
> unarmed, against Nazi imperialism in occupied Europe, in order to fight to
> turn them into a v
Sart - "Whatever happened to the Zimmerwald left?"
We're right here, don't you know?
Sart again - "The conflict between Ukraine and Russia is no more a struggle
for the right of self-determination than the opposition to German
occupation of Belgium or Netherlands or France was one for
self-determ
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 04:49 PM, wrote:
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> Whatever happened to the Zimmerwald left?
The Zimmerwald left was the subject of discussion on the list a couple of years
ago. As I noted then, none of the tendencies expressed an openly
“revolutionary defeatist” position, neither Radek from the Bo
On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 05:02 PM, hari kumar wrote:
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> Hello Dan:
> Again I am not sure if you are referring to me, in addressing this note.
>
As I said earlier, it facilitates discussion if people can be clear who and
what they are referring to exactly. Otherwise it all gets very confusing.
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Hello Dan:
Again I am not sure if you are referring to me, in addressing this note.
There seem to have been many entering this discussion. However - if you are
referring to me - I should briefly reply.
On the basis of the on-going further dialogue - it seems clear to me that there
is actually li
With pleasure;
First of all;
What you write about WWII, I agree with it in general.
WWII was namely a military conflict between the Allies and the Axis powers and
a financial/economic conflict within the Allies between the US and the UK.
I fully agree with this, so there is no difference of opini
On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 11:52 AM, Ed George wrote:
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> I wrote about this some years ago (<
> https://edgeorgesotherblog.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/through-what-stage-are-we-passing.pdf
> >; I wouldn't use all the same formulations now as I did then, but, in its
> essential structure
Most historians would place this earlier in the 20th century...
and not a few see a parallel in that period with the active life of John Milton
Keynes (who must have died 2 years after Breton Woods from the stress of that
financial/economic struggle).
But never mind, it is of no importance here..
Thanks for the two attached links. Interesting articles and comments below!
But 2 questions remain unanswered for me;
why does the former East Germany vote decidedly right?
and if this is a rejection of the existing status quo, why do they only place
their hopes on the far right
regards
dan
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 11:43 AM, dan wrote:
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> A wise man on this site recently remarked that cherry picking from the past to
> use it in a completely different context was not allowed.
>
It is useful if people indicate which (part of which) post they are addressing,
otherwise it's impossible t
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 07:21 PM, dan wrote:
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> There have not been that many nations that have dominated the world. Can you
> give me a list of when the power of an empire has been transferred to another
> nation through war?
>
I would make the case that the period from the end of the great depr
Engels taught us the negation of the negation. Gandall peddles
self-contradictory nonsense: "China since Deng ... aspired to integrate fully
into it [world imperialism, known to Gandall as the "global capitalist
economy"], their ambitions stymied by China's rise as an economic competitor to
the
A wise man on this site recently remarked that cherry picking from the past to
use it in a completely different context was not allowed.
Because this is nonsense, I will temporarily agree to your thesis below for
arguments sake…
Suppose that every "leftist" worldwide is now campaigning for revol
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 02:40 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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> I read that BSW did not break the 5% threshold nor did they win three direct
> constituency seats, so they lost representation in the Bundestag that they
> previously had from the Die Linke split.
>
I actually thought that the BSW's 5% was
On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 06:36 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
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> I think it's equally possible that the economic competition between them
> could proceed - as it generally does between industry leaders
> domestically - within a common global economic framework. The
> inter-penetration of capital is to
>
> df: mark - "[My "single thoughtless line"] illustrates the trolling
> tradition of marxmail"
>
> It doesn't take me 5000 words to say what I think about George's
> pendejadas, "While Ukraine has every right to confront militarily the
> invasion it is incumbent on socialists in the imperialis
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 12:44 PM, hari kumar wrote:
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> Probably, unlike many here, I do believe in the general pathways as
> described by the rubric of historical materialism. For me, that does not
> mean an exact prescription of events. Nor anything that denies human
> agency.
Thanks, Hari. Muc
Dan:
I feel this is linked to your earlier comment about "from Versailles to Suez
without a war".
I assume you are referring here possibly to me.
I am certainly not going to give you list. . . Far too tedious for all parties
I suspect. Even more so for any itinerant reader.
However let me give
Hello Marv:
I understand your concern about any sense that there is an 'inevitability'
about world events. Probably, unlike many here, I do believe in the general
pathways as described by the rubric of historical materialism. For me, that
does not mean an exact prescription of events. Nor anythi
mark - "[My "single thoughtless line"] illustrates the trolling tradition
of marxmail"
It doesn't take me 5000 words to say what I think about George's
pendejadas, "While Ukraine has every right to confront militarily the
invasion it is incumbent on socialists in the imperialist countries to
insi
There have not been that many nations that have dominated the world. Can you
give me a list of when the power of an empire has been transferred to another
nation through war?
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On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 04:10 PM, hari kumar wrote:
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> the Chinese have ambitions as seen by their now quite old proclamations of
> the 'Belt and road'.
> These contradictions are taking time to arrive at the point of an open
> war... the only way that big bully imperialists can resolve them - w
> On Feb 28, 2025, at 09:00, Ed George via groups.io
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> Mark: "I thought BSW recently underperformed ..."
>
> Me: I thought 5% was quite a lot, given it's her first time out. AfD + BSW
> means 1 in 4 Germans on an 80+% turnout voting for deportations. That's
> worrying.
marxmail
There are 37 years between the Treaty of Versailles and the Suez Crisis.
Somewhere in between, world power shifted peacefully from the UK to the US...
regards
dan
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On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 10:25 AM, hari kumar wrote:
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> As always perhaps, it is not so straight-forward...I believe that indeed
> there is a re-shuffling of the powers that be. But such dramatic changes,
> may take time
I fully agree nothing is forever, Hari, but I'm not sure what you're refer
So all I mean by the prior message is that the contradictions run deep; that
yes at the moment the USA is top of the pile despite its own huge problems;
that the Chinese have ambitions as seen by their now quite old proclamations of
the 'Belt and road'.
These contradictions are taking time to ar
At which school of invective did you learn this language from ?
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Yes, this Campism is a product of the Popular Front strategy that presupposes
an alliance with the national bourgeoisie is an anti-imperialist position.
This is the fundamental contradiction with the elaboration of the Permanent
Revolution by Bronstein/Trotsky. The uneven and combined develo
And yes - I forgot again to take out an empty (ii). . . But someone no doubt
will want to slap that down also.
H
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Hi Marv:
As always perhaps, it is not so straight-forward. For you say this:
" What the so-called campists and anti-campists have in common on this list and
outside of it is the belief that the current global order is "multipolar", with
China and Russia as major challengers to US hegemony. The t
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 10:05 PM, Mark Baugher wrote:
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>> * Post-stalinist campism. Certain political currents, either emerging from
>> the Communist Parties, or influenced by them, maintain an outlook in which
>> the world is divided up into an imperialist camp and an anti-imperialist
>> one
Thanks for the response Mark. Here are my responses to some of the things you
bring up.
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Mark: “We did go back once already, didn't we? Trump refused to answer Merkel's
question whether the US would defend Europe from attack and, a few years later,
Biden's US led the NATO coalition to suppo
> On Feb 27, 2025, at 01:50, Ed George via groups.io
> wrote:
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> (This is a piece of thinking out loud.)
Thanks for the insightful post. I'm thinking out loud, too.
>
> ...
> I
>
...
> Whatever might happen in US politics in coming years, there seems no going
> back on this. This wo
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