> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 4:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
>
> HI. Yes, I was going to point out how well the mac and Ios devices
> integrate with the mac. Not to mention in my oppinion itunes and vo work
think about holding
> out if the new macbook is coming out relatively soon.
>
> Take care,
> Shannon Gerdts
>
> From: Maria & Joe Chapman
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 4:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Wi
k is coming out relatively soon.
>
> Take care,
> Shannon Gerdts
>
> From: Maria & Joe Chapman
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 4:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
>
> HI. Yes, I was going to point
the newest macbook pro
>> which has been out now for almost a year so would seem that they’re due for
>> an updated version here in the near future.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Shannon Gerdts
>>
>> From: Maria & Joe Chapman
>> Sent: Saturday, April 06
hapman
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 4:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
>
> HI. Yes, I was going to point out how well the mac and Ios devices
> integrate with the mac. Not to mention in my oppinion itunes and vo work
>
to:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Gerdts
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
Hello all,
Again thanks so much for all your prompt responses on this issue. The
last thing I guess we h
: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
HI. Yes, I was going to point out how well the mac and Ios devices integrate
with the mac. Not to mention in my oppinion itunes and vo work much better
than itunes and jaws or nvda. I did try to use nvda full time just before I
switched but the tts di
HI. Yes, I was going to point out how well the mac and Ios devices integrate
with the mac. Not to mention in my oppinion itunes and vo work much better
than itunes and jaws or nvda. I did try to use nvda full time just before I
switched but the tts didn't sound right not when using sapi. I
Chapman
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:03 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
>
> HI. I didn't bother with the trial version I just bought it.
>
> Don't know if that makes a difference or not.
>
>
pro
> which has been out now for almost a year so would seem that they’re due for
> an updated version here in the near future.
>
> Take care,
> Shannon Gerdts
>
> From: Maria & Joe Chapman
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:03 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.c
learning curve seems very steep to me, and
> I've tried searching for podcasts and documentation.
> Anita
> - Original Message -
> From: Donna Goodin
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Serious question
ing curve seems very steep to me, and
> I've tried searching for podcasts and documentation.
> Anita
> - Original Message -
> From: Donna Goodin
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Serious question ab
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
Hi Shannon,
I've been using a Mac for four years, and I was surprised to see that
comment. Frankly, I think that you can tell that Voiceover is integrated
t a year so would seem that they’re due for
> an updated version here in the near future.
>
> Take care,
> Shannon Gerdts
>
> From: Maria & Joe Chapman
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:03 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious question
now for almost a year so would seem that they’re due for an
updated version here in the near future.
Take care,
Shannon Gerdts
From: Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
HI. I di
t; knowledgeable people on the list who could help me through the rough spots.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Maria & Joe Chapman
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
&
lp me through the rough spots.
- Original Message -
From: Maria & Joe Chapman
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
HI. I've owned my mac for over a year now. I do run a vm fro
HI. I've owned my mac for over a year now. I do run a vm from time to time
but am finding less and less need to go in to windows. It did take me a while
to learn, but the thing I love about the mac is that it just seems to work. No
laggie pauses when you hit a key and wait for 5 seconds for
Hi Kelly. I don't know what your friend was talking about, but you can indeed
use a screen reader for Windows if you virtualize it. On my VM of XP, I have
System Access, NVDA and Window-Eyes and they work with no problems. As for
sluggishness, I don't experience any because I made sure that I wo
I know that apple is always closed-mouthed of when they have new releases.
>> But, does anyone have a rough idea of often they bring out new computers? It
>> just seems like a new pro might be on the horizon and I might want to wait
>> on purchasing one.
>>
>> Again th
f often they bring out new computers? It just
> seems like a new pro might be on the horizon and I might want to wait on
> purchasing one.
>
> Again thanks so much for all the advice and input. It helps me so that I can
> make an educated decision.
>
> Kellie and Loki
>
>
>
t I can
make an educated decision.
Kellie and Loki
-Original Message-
From: Red.Falcon
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
Hi all!
Now I'm not sure if this is good or bad!
But from w
t; kliphandsharrie
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of anita
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 12:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
What version of Windows does the Mac support?
-
What version of Windows does the Mac support?
- Original Message -
From: Richard Ring
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
Any tool that accomplishes the tasks that are desired or
One thing that makes the price issue more interesting is that the
really expensive windows screen readers are rarely needed anymore. For
95 percent of the users, system access or NVDA will more than suffice.
Original message:
Any tool that accomplishes the tasks that are desired or required is a
Any tool that accomplishes the tasks that are desired or required is a valid
tool. For me, if I had to do heavy wordprocessing, I would prefer Windows. But
that's just me. Although insofar as I know, the Mac is an incredibility well
built machine, it does have rather a high price tag. Financial
Hi. I got my Mac over 2 years ago, it'll be 3 this November. I pretty much got
adjusted to the Mac the day I got it. Funny story about it, the first day I
purchased this thing, I sold my PC. I was like "I don't need it anymore." I
think the reason why for some people the Mac is harder to use wit
actually, there is a perfect solution, give up computers completely lo.
On 2013-04-04, at 2:18 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> There is no such thing as a perfect solution when dealing with accessibility
> for computers. Windows and Mac have their advantages and disadvantages.
>
>
> Ther
I switched to the Mac nearly 2 years ago. It was a pretty stressful decision
for me, because of the change in screen reader, and the amount of money I would
be spending.
I'll say for the first few Months, I found the learning curve and getting
accustom to things was a struggle. I'd find mysel
Hi all!
Now I'm not sure if this is good or bad!
But from what I understand new Mac's have to be bought with everything you
think you might need because you cannot upgrade them yourselves I might be
wrong!
But as far as this one goes 4 and a half years old and only looked at by apple
once [throu
Hi Mary,
yes indeed it is. The upgrade cycle for mobile devices are 4 times as fast as
desktops and laptops. If you by the latest and greatest laptop or desktop, you
can be reasonably assured, that system will run any OS or, application with a
few exceptions for the next 5 years. A mobile d
Hi,
I think one advantage is, she will have a choice if she decides to get a Mac.
She could run Windows on bootcamp and have a full windows experience if she so
chose. I know my next comment is pretty subjective but, I believe the Mac
offers superior build quality compared to most Windows mac
I bought my Mac about two months ago, at the same time, I got rid of my Windows
computer totally. Not very long thereafter, my fiancé got her mac. Okay, she
still wants to chuck it threw a wall from time to time, but that phase is also
passing now.
The mac to me, is more intuitive, it seems to
Well really, I think the mac is amazingly better than windows. First of all,
the screen reader is far more advanced than anything microsoft could make, and
it supports braille right away. Also, the tts is far superior to anything else
I've ever heard. And as soon as the audio game devs get there
Hi,
There is no such thing as a perfect solution when dealing with accessibility
for computers. Windows and Mac have their advantages and disadvantages.
There is really no point comparing Windows with Mac. They are completely
different for a screen reader user. The OS is very different as we
Well, I think my point still stands, 1995 aside.
Any computer system will eventually present hardware limitations. But I know
of plenty of people with Macs four years old, in fact, my mom's Mac is 9 years
old, and she's only now looking at replacing it. I think in general Macs are
more well-m
Nobody said anything about a computer bought in 1995. The original question had
to do with a laptop that broke after 3-4 years, and the person wasn't too happy
and was considering a Mac. Since upgrades to the screen reader are tied to the
os on a Mac, if your Mac is too old to get the new upgrad
Well, but that's true of any computer system. If you tried to put Windows 8 on
a computer you bought in 1995 you would have a problem. :) But for Mac, you
9only have to contend with the hardware, not the hardware and the screen reader.
On Apr 3, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Hi Donna,
Hi Donna,
You know, it is also possible to get stuck behind the no upgrade 8-ball with a
Mac. It isn't the screen reader, it is the hardware at issue, and then you have
to go spend a whole lot more than 200 bucks to get the latest screen reader
features that are only available with the new os.
I'm the same way, I have a windows 7 computer for those rare times I use it
which I do as it's connected to the tv and that is how we watch tv.
On 2013-04-03, at 2:59 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> Hi there
> Personally, I like TextEdit and pages better than I like in this word. This
> is because M
In my opinion it is very worth it. Every computer has hiccups and problems but
the Mac seems to have far fewer. But don't think that once you get it that it
will be the same as a windows machine. You will get frustrated with it and want
to smash it with a hammer at first but keep with it and onc
Hi there
Personally, I like TextEdit and pages better than I like in this word. This is
because MS Word offers me more options that I want to deal with. When I made
the switch, I had choices because I am self-employed, and I could call my
customer and tell her that I was Changing and therefore,
I must agree with Donna here. May I also add that even when a program in the
Mac freezes, it doesn't cause the whole system to lose speech as windows does.
I also like that when a program is doing something, we hear "busy" or "ready"
when it is completed.
On 2013-04-03, at 2:30 PM, Donna Goodin
One thing I would add is that I feel like having Voiceover integrated into the
IOS is a huge advantage in terms of smoothness of operation. I've used Windows
with JAWS since 1995. Since July 2009 I've use a Mac at home, and most of the
time Windows at work. I agree with the person who said th
n accessibility
compared to windows/jaws. Windows just has alot more choices for accessible
programs than does the Mac.
- Original Message -
From: "Shannon Gerdts"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:36 PM
Subject: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
Hello list,
Hello,
I will do my best to chime in on this subject.
I used windows since 1995 in college and 1998 at home. I found the switch fro
Windows to Mac rather arduous because my computer had a couple not serious
issues and I didn't have training (I hadn't found this list yet) Once the
learning cur
Hi Shannon,
It seems to me that the question of switching to a Mac from Windows is a little
more involved than just looking at the fact that a laptop quit after 3 or 4
years. Given the cost difference between Windows and Mac laptops, your
prospective purchase of a Mac would have to last you may
M
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows
Well, if you have iOS devices there are more advantages, since things like
contacts, notes, calendars, and more sync to all your devices. You can, for
instance, do a lot of typing in reminders or contacts on the
Well, if you have iOS devices there are more advantages, since things like
contacts, notes, calendars, and more sync to all your devices. You can, for
instance, do a lot of typing in reminders or contacts on the mac, and then the
changes will appear on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch.
I'll not
Hello.
Welcome to the group.
I have had a Mac for almost two years although I still use windows at work and
at home on my Mac at home, although not a lot.
I think there is a place for all platforms, it really depends on what you want
to do.
I love my I Mac not just because of Voice Over, but
Hello list,
I'm a new subscriber as of today and would like to ask this direct
question without getting a lot of elitest Mac/Windows mentalities. What I
mean by this is I would love to get some feedback from you guys on the list
about an unbiased bit of feedback on your experiences with the
Hi,
Thanks. This is very helpful.
Regards,
Rajiv
Original message
>Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:31:56 -0500
>From: Mike Arrigo
>Subject: Re: Mac vs. Windows Accessibility was Re: Reopen office
>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>
>Ok, I can get this to work, b
criptions appear. The user can activate these
> same descriptions with JAWS. I haven't found a way to do this with VoiceOver.
>
> Help here would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks. Rajiv
>
>
>
> Original message
>> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:46:52
I actually don't use fine reader express either, so I'm also basing things on
what I have been told, oh yes, for scanning books, kurzweil 1000 works well,
that's one of the very few things I still use windows for. I wish they would
develop a mac version, but even if they did, I wonder if the sam
is the
>> summary I am getting from folks:
>> If you need to use Flash and DRM, use Windows. If you want to use other
>> stuff, use Mac. Also, to clarify one point. If VoiceOver says clickable,
>> this relates to an onClick event rather than a mouseOver. THis is an
&g
Hi Mike,
What I need is something that will let me access the settings so I can change
them if the defaults don't yield good recognition. I also need something that
will let me scan a bunch of pages into the same file automatically, without me
having to mess with combining files after having had
I guess it depends on what you need, the mac version will scan and recognize
the page, as well as recognize image files, that should cover most things I
think.
On Aug 7, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Has something changed such that there is now a full version of fine reader
> for the Ma
ouseOver event is there with VoiceOver?
>
> Rajiv
>
> Original message
>> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 21:54:23 +1200
>> From: "Simon Fogarty"
>> Subject: RE: Mac vs. Windows Accessibility was Re: Reopen office
>> To:
>>
>> both apple
eOver
> event. How do folks know that the onMouseOver event is there with VoiceOver?
>
> Rajiv
>
> Original message ----
>> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 21:54:23 +1200
>> From: "Simon Fogarty"
>> Subject: RE: Mac vs. Windows Accessibility was Re: Reopen office
than a mouseOver. THis is an onMouseOver event. How
do folks know that the onMouseOver event is there with VoiceOver?
Rajiv
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>Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 21:54:23 +1200
>From: "Simon Fogarty"
>Subject: RE: Mac vs. Windows Accessibility was Re: Reopen off
aken by google.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Shaw
> Sent: Sunday, 8 August 2010 2:06 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac vs. Windows Accessibility was Re: Re
m] On Behalf Of Kevin Shaw
Sent: Sunday, 8 August 2010 2:06 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac vs. Windows Accessibility was Re: Reopen office
Flash sucks. This is why Apple is pushing HTML 5. It's open, it's less
bloated and less proprietary.
For using Flash, you ma
That's right, but it is based on an older version of finereader, and you are
not allowed to adjust any settings.
Best regards Annie.
On Aug 8, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> As a matter of interest, fine reader is also available for the mac, and it is
> accessible.
> On Aug 7, 2010, at
Lol,
I agree. I rather have 5 unknown buttons to press than, no button at all.
On Aug 7, 2010, at 6:25 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> HI,
>
> You wrote:
> "Most of the time, flash content is not labeled, so even the windows screen
> readers will just say button, button, button, etc. And if that'
Has something changed such that there is now a full version of fine reader for
the Mac? last I knew, it was the express version which isn't as good as the
Windows version in terms of features.
Mary Otten
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HI,
You wrote:
"Most of the time, flash content is not labeled, so even the windows screen
readers will just say button, button, button, etc. And if that's all they're
going to say, I would rather it not say anything since there's no label."
I think that's probably not the most productive atti
Unless I'm mistaken, voice over does actually support the mouse over thing, it
says clickable after reading the item.
On Aug 7, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Barry Hadder wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Mouse-over works fine with vo and Safari. the only problem is that vo
> doesn't announce that the element is a mouse-o
As a matter of interest, fine reader is also available for the mac, and it is
accessible.
On Aug 7, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have had my mac for almost a year now, and I love it.
>
> I have never been good friends with flash, in my opinion flash also gives
> some
A few other comments here, I agree that the drm issue is more of a fault of the
DRM itself, not the mac. I too boycott anything with DRM when I can. Most of
the time, flash content is not labeled, so even the windows screen readers will
just say button, button, button, etc. And if that's all the
Hi, as far as the mouse over thing, voice over works fine with this, you will
notice that on some elements, voice over says clickable after the item this
means you can activate this item as if it's a link. As far as flash goes, blame
adobe for this, not voice over, Adobe has been unwilling to ex
Hi,
Mouse-over works fine with vo and Safari. the only problem is that vo doesn't
announce that the element is a mouse-over.
If we want to be intellectually honest, flash support on the Windows side has
always been very limited at best. Flash will soon become obsolete anyhow.
I don't use DRM
Hi.
I have had my mac for almost a year now, and I love it.
I have never been good friends with flash, in my opinion flash also gives some
problems on windows. I have a vmware windows xp, that I use when it is
absolutely needed. There is only two thing that is not really good for me on
the mac
Flash sucks. This is why Apple is pushing HTML 5. It's open, it's less bloated
and less proprietary.
For using Flash, you may still need to run Windows on a Mac and use it with
JAWS.
Kevin
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good to go.
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rajiv Shah
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mac vs. Windows Accessibility was Re: Reo
Hi, see my comments below.
Erik Burggraaf
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On 2010-08-07, at 1:48 AM, Rajiv Shah wrote:
> . These are:
> * DRM streaming: Some DRM vide
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
I recently bought a Mac but can't seem to justify the purchase to myself
completely a month after. There are several areas where Windows still holds
primacy over the Mac and there seems no way out in terms of my daily usage.
These are:
* DRM streaming: Some DRM video
l Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac vs windows
>
>
> Hi, I just found echomac and can say it
Does Echo Mac work ok under Snow Leopard? I was aware that it hadn't
been updated in quite some time. I'd had it when I was running
Leopard, but haven't put it on since installing Snowy. 73 de Dan
VA3ETS.
On Oct 19, 2009, at 10:09 AM, May McDonald wrote:
>
> Hi, I just found echomac and
t;>> Please let me know how you get along with echomac.
>>>
>>> I cannot afford a lot of radio equipment at the moment so internet
>>> linking is my ham radio focus.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>
king is my ham radio focus.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re:
> linking is my ham radio focus.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of May McDonald
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac vs windows
>
oment so internet
> linking is my ham radio focus.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of May McDonald
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>
, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac vs windows
Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up very
differently from echolink. There's probably a way to change it so it
looks like echolink but since I just got it y
Hi, I just found echomac and can say it does work and it's set up very
differently from echolink. There's probably a way to change it so it
looks like echolink but since I just got it yesterday I haven't had a
chance to play around and figure out much yet.
May, VA7MAI
On 19-Oct-09, at 6:30
Hello John,
I cannot answer the questions you have regarding EchoMac, but I can
try to answer the question concerning scripting abilities.
One thing that is very different from Windows to the Mac, is the
Windows applications are usually heavily dependent on individual
scripting for the scre
Hello list,
I've been a windows and windows screen reader user for some twenty years. I'm
considering making the leap to a mac.
I'm also a ham radio operator and I've just started getting into internet radio
linking using echo link.
There's an app called "echomac" which is a mac version of the
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