> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 02:21:30AM -0400, Garst R. Reese wrote:
>> On some dialogs, like Document->Paper it is obvious that you will
>> probably have to supply information, but usually I am just looking
>> to see what the settings are.
On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 02:21:30AM -0400, Garst R. Reese wrote:
> On some dialogs, like Document->Paper it is obvious that you will
> probably have to supply information, but usually I am just looking to
> see what the settings are.
Note they are also document views. You can even look at prefs wi
On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 03:55:12PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> I am more concerned by the fact that I do not remember of _any_ app
> doing what you propose.
It seems that indeed we should stick our heads in the sand and
completely ignore what any of the guidelines say.
This is like File
> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 02:59:45PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
John> wrote: rest.
>> Or against how you read the rest.
John> It is not just me who makes this interpretation. Have you
John> already forgotten the explicit example (was it
On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 02:59:45PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> John> rest.
>
> Or against how you read the rest.
It is not just me who makes this interpretation. Have you already
forgotten the explicit example (was it in the MS one ?)
> Remember that on the older guideline
> you told m
> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 11:30:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
John> wrote: If Edit->Preferences was called something like Edit->Save
John> Preferences, but behaved similarly, it would want an ellipsis.
>> OK, take a look at aqua UI gui
On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 11:30:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> John> If Edit->Preferences was called something like Edit->Save
> John> Preferences, but behaved similarly, it would want an ellipsis.
>
> OK, take a look at aqua UI guidelines. For example here
>
>http://developer.apple.com
> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> If Edit->Preferences was called something like Edit->Save
John> Preferences, but behaved similarly, it would want an ellipsis.
OK, take a look at aqua UI guidelines. For example here
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:48:49AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > No, they need *input* NOT *extra input*. There is a clear difference.
>
> Care to explain?
I've already explained as much as I am able in previous posts
regards
john
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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 05:31:42PM +, John Levon wrote:
> > > What they say (as I understand it), is that "save as..." needs
> > > ellipsis because you need to do something to actually save.
> >
> > Preferences need extra input, too.
>
> No, they need *input* NOT *extra input*. There is a cle
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 05:29:13PM +, John Levon wrote:
> The ellipsis is all about surprise: if you see one, it means that
> further interaction is required *when you would not expect it*. Who in
> the world would not expect some sort of dialog when selecting
> Tools->Preferences ?
This is a
On czwartek 19 grudzień 2002 01:33 pm, Garst R. Reese wrote:
> John Levon wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 03:15:05PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > > Ah. So 'Save as...' and 'Save under a different name' would be ok even
> > > if the pop up the same dialog? This was not clear to me.
> >
> > N
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 02:33:35PM -0400, Garst R. Reese wrote:
> (e.g. The Chicago Manual of Style), wherein the ellipsis would mean
> either:
> I can't complete this sentence without your help.
Well, this is what it means, but it's not infallible rule as Andre
adeptly showed :)
It's more tweak
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 06:39:54PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> John> No, they need *input* NOT *extra input*. There is a clear
> John> difference.
>
> And how is 'save as...' different in this respect. People already know
In the respect above ? It's extra input before performing the pri
> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:07:13PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
>> > What they say (as I understand it), is that "save as..." needs >
>> ellipsis because you need to do something to actually save.
>>
>> Preferences need extra input, too.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 03:15:05PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> Ah. So 'Save as...' and 'Save under a different name' would be ok even
> if the pop up the same dialog? This was not clear to me.
No, Garst is mistaken. Whilst the use of the ellipsis may have had its
roots in such a thing, it doe
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:07:13PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > What they say (as I understand it), is that "save as..." needs
> > ellipsis because you need to do something to actually save.
>
> Preferences need extra input, too.
No, they need *input* NOT *extra input*. There is a clear diffe
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:01:36PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> So 'Save As...' should not have ellipses, as it brings up a dialog.
>
> Not that I care too much about these things, but this sounds ridiculous.
I guess this is why you didn't even bother to read it ?
Yo
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 11:54:07AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> John> This is where I give the URLs to all the guidelines again huh ?
>
> OK, first a note: these are guidelines for a good gnome or mac os
> interface. This means that they will be relevant when we do have a
> gnome or mac o
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:03:39AM -0400, Garst R. Reese wrote:
> Save as... is an incomplete sentence, and must be completed.
> Preferences and Get info are complete and do not necessitate input,
> although you are allowed to change preferences.
Ah. So 'Save as...' and 'Save under a different n
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Andre> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:06:55PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre> wrote: Not that I care too much about these things, but this
Andre> sounds ridiculous.
>> What they say (as I understand it), is that "save as..." needs
>> ellip
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:06:55PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Andre> Not that I care too much about these things, but this sounds
> Andre> ridiculous.
>
> What they say (as I understand it), is that "save as..." needs
> ellipsis because you need to do something to actually save.
Prefere
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Andre> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 11:54:07AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre> wrote:
>> This one says:
>>
>> The ellipsis character doesn't simply mean that a dialog box or
>> window will appear. For example in the Finder File menu, the Ge
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 11:54:07AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> This one says:
>
> The ellipsis character doesn't simply mean that a dialog box or
> window will appear. For example in the Finder File menu, the Get
> Info command doesn't have an ellipsis character and shouldn't. When
> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 11:29:41AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
John> wrote: No. This is not what the ellipsis means. The elipsis
John> means :
>>
John> "I need further information before I can complete your request".
>> Where is this sp
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 11:29:41AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> John> No. This is not what the ellipsis means. The elipsis means :
>
> John> "I need further information before I can complete your request".
>
> Where is this specified?
This is where I give the URLs to all the guidelines
> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 12:24:59AM +0100,
John> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> when translating the LyX phrases into German, I noticed that the
>> entries "Character", "Paragraph", etc. in the Layout menu are
>> lacking "..." (three dots in
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 12:34:19AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hmmm, I hope simple-minded users will follow this interpretation :-)
It's only a hint anyway. And it's what it was always supposed to mean.
After all, who would be surprised that Edit->Properties brings up a
dialog ?
> A quick
John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 18.12.2002, 00:27:38:
> No. This is not what the ellipsis means. The elipsis means :
> "I need further information before I can complete your request".
>
> Layout->Character is really saying "Edit->Character Style". Since the
> dialog that arrives does in
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 12:24:59AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> when translating the LyX phrases into German, I noticed that
> the entries "Character", "Paragraph", etc. in the Layout menu
> are lacking "..." (three dots indicating a dialog).
>
> Could somebody please confirm this and fix
Hi,
when translating the LyX phrases into German, I noticed that
the entries "Character", "Paragraph", etc. in the Layout menu
are lacking "..." (three dots indicating a dialog).
Could somebody please confirm this and fix the strings?
Thanks, Michael
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