On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 11:30:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

> John> If Edit->Preferences was called something like Edit->Save
> John> Preferences, but behaved similarly, it would want an ellipsis.
> 
> OK, take a look at aqua UI guidelines. For example here
> 
>http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuidelines/AHIGMenus/index.html

So, we have one guideline that explicitly goes against all the rest.

> And concerning microsoft guidelines, did you ever take a look at ms
> office, or explorer? They have ... everywhere I would expect them.

I'm sure the MS guidelines say "don't crash" too. What on earth is your
point ?

>     * An action that opens an informational, accessory, or tool
>       window. These windows can be implemented as either utility
>       windows (as in the case of a color palette) or modeless windows.
>       These windows provide tools that help create or manage the
>       content in the main window and are frequently left open to
>       assist in accomplishing the task of the main window. Examples
>       include Get Info and Show Tools.
> 
> One could argue that what we have here are modeless windows, and thus
> the last paragraph applies. But I have never seen you use this
> argument, so you probably have something else in mind.

Those Aqua guidelines draw a new distinction between document content
and application content. I do not understand why they have done this,
and they neglected to include a rationale.

> The truth is, I think people are going to be confused by this
> behaviour. And the point of interface guidelines is _not_ to confuse
> people, even for the sake of correctness (which remains to be proved).

Whatever ....

Before I changed things at all we were ENTIRELY inconsistent within
ourselves, and now suddenly everybody cares.

I'm not going to take the ball home, but it's quite annoying.

john

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