On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 02:59:45PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > John> rest. > > Or against how you read the rest.
It is not just me who makes this interpretation. Have you already forgotten the explicit example (was it in the MS one ?) > Remember that on the older guideline > you told me that their screenshot was just a mistake. > > Have you seen many mac os 9 apps that did not have ... on things like > "Options" or "Preference"? I am not asking this just to be a pest, but > I'd like to have an idea of real-world examples that use your > interpretation of the guidelines. Actually I'm on a Mac OS 9 box and it seems that they consistently do have the ellipsis. Which makes little sense, but there you go. > John> I'm sure the MS guidelines say "don't crash" too. What on earth > John> is your point ? > > My point is that, if microsoft took the time to have interface > guidelines, then one could expect that a large proportion of the > default windows apps would follow the guidelines. This includes > explorer and probably also office. And please don't tell me ``they > are just stupid'', since ms spends a lot of time polishing the > so-called ``windows experience''. They also have a great deal of inter-team rivalry and a tendency to break their own guidelines as often as they can. If you think I'm not being serious consider the worst offender for hand-building widgets instead of using the default platform ones: that's right, it's MS Office. > So either they do not read the same > as you do, or all the UI guidelines are irrelevant and we should not > even read them (this holds for mac os too). Then we are lost and I would rather have a missing ellipsis than an extra one, since a missing one is less confusing. > John> Those Aqua guidelines draw a new distinction between document > John> content and application content. I do not understand why they > John> have done this, and they neglected to include a rationale. > > What does you mean here? What is this distinction? Uh, read what you quoted to me. Applicationdialogs are supposed to have an ellipsis, document content views not. > Come on, I am not trying to just annoy you. Just that you are very far > from convincing me right now. And I can tell you that I actually > looked at the apps on my wife's mac os 10.2 laptop to look for apps > that would substantiate your claim. I did not look on windows, but I It seems that extant Mac applications all take the guideline described in the Aqua docs and this was actually the de facto case before. I can't even check Windows. regards john -- "I will eat a rubber tire to the music of The Flight of the Bumblebee"
