>>>>> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 02:59:45PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes John> wrote: rest. >> Or against how you read the rest. John> It is not just me who makes this interpretation. Have you John> already forgotten the explicit example (was it in the MS one ?) I am more concerned by the fact that I do not remember of _any_ app doing what you propose. John> Actually I'm on a Mac OS 9 box and it seems that they John> consistently do have the ellipsis. Which makes little sense, but John> there you go. Remember that in the macos 9 case, the example they gave is 'Get Information' from the finder. I think it is on purpose. They did not mention an 'Option' entry, for example. John> They also have a great deal of inter-team rivalry and a tendency John> to break their own guidelines as often as they can. If you think John> I'm not being serious consider the worst offender for John> hand-building widgets instead of using the default platform John> ones: that's right, it's MS Office. Let's say that all the teams have done the same mis-interpretation of their own guidelines, then. John> Then we are lost and I would rather have a missing ellipsis than John> an extra one, since a missing one is less confusing. Well, we have two choices: 1/ add the ellipsis in the places where everybody else places them (basically, when one opens a dialog) or 2/ open our own usability lab and try to prove that removing the ellipsis is better. It seems to me that it is a bit late to do this in 1.3.0 ;) John> Those Aqua guidelines draw a new distinction between document John> content and application content. I do not understand why they John> have done this, and they neglected to include a rationale. >> What does you mean here? What is this distinction? John> Uh, read what you quoted to me. Applicationdialogs are supposed John> to have an ellipsis, document content views not. The way I understand it is that, if the window you open is not a dialog but something that is immediately useful without pressing OK, then there is no ellipsis. Examples of that are 'Get Info' in finder, or 'Propoerties' menu entry that you get when right-clicking a file in windows explorer (or View>Page Info in mozilla). These things merely show new information and thus no additional interaction is needed. An example where we could use that is for the math panel. John> It seems that extant Mac applications all take the guideline John> described in the Aqua docs and this was actually the de facto John> case before. I think so. John> I can't even check Windows. They do basically the same. JMarc
