>>>>> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 11:30:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes John> wrote: If Edit->Preferences was called something like Edit->Save John> Preferences, but behaved similarly, it would want an ellipsis. >> OK, take a look at aqua UI guidelines. For example here >> >http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuidelines/AHIGMenus/index.html John> So, we have one guideline that explicitly goes against all the John> rest. Or against how you read the rest. Remember that on the older guideline you told me that their screenshot was just a mistake. Have you seen many mac os 9 apps that did not have ... on things like "Options" or "Preference"? I am not asking this just to be a pest, but I'd like to have an idea of real-world examples that use your interpretation of the guidelines. >> And concerning microsoft guidelines, did you ever take a look at ms >> office, or explorer? They have ... everywhere I would expect them. John> I'm sure the MS guidelines say "don't crash" too. What on earth John> is your point ? My point is that, if microsoft took the time to have interface guidelines, then one could expect that a large proportion of the default windows apps would follow the guidelines. This includes explorer and probably also office. And please don't tell me ``they are just stupid'', since ms spends a lot of time polishing the so-called ``windows experience''. So either they do not read the same as you do, or all the UI guidelines are irrelevant and we should not even read them (this holds for mac os too). John> Those Aqua guidelines draw a new distinction between document John> content and application content. I do not understand why they John> have done this, and they neglected to include a rationale. What does you mean here? What is this distinction? John> Before I changed things at all we were ENTIRELY inconsistent John> within ourselves, and now suddenly everybody cares. John> I'm not going to take the ball home, but it's quite annoying. Come on, I am not trying to just annoy you. Just that you are very far from convincing me right now. And I can tell you that I actually looked at the apps on my wife's mac os 10.2 laptop to look for apps that would substantiate your claim. I did not look on windows, but I am 97% sure that there is an ellipsis on most commands that invoke a dialog. So, what would be one example of well-coded app, so that we can take a look? JMarc
