Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort": > But that's precisely the problem with OpenOffice - to do almost anything > with it, you have to compile the whole !*$(@!# thing (excuse my french). But as I said

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort": >... > So I have to choose between a difficult-to-install and somewhat > degregated package, but with the Hebrew speller and Hebrew UI, and > between my distro&#x

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-09 Thread Omer Zak
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Shaul Karl wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:51:55PM +0200, Omer Zak wrote: > > A completely different option, for those who want Hebrew wordprocessor > > under Linux:AbiWord. > > > > It is lightweight yet on its way to become very powerful wordprocessor. > > > > > I am not

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-09 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Nadav Har'El wrote: > > >I replied to Shachar's mail on Hamakor's list, but I hope people won't hate > >me too much for repeating here what I had to say, because I see the discussion > >here is much more "lively". > > > Yes, that list needs to be awakne

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-09 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Nadav Har'El wrote: I replied to Shachar's mail on Hamakor's list, but I hope people won't hate me too much for repeating here what I had to say, because I see the discussion here is much more "lively". Yes, that list needs to be awakned :-( While this may be true, and the idea you raised is w

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
I replied to Shachar's mail on Hamakor's list, but I hope people won't hate me too much for repeating here what I had to say, because I see the discussion here is much more "lively". On Sun, Feb 08, 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Participating in the Open Off ice development effort": > version

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:51:55PM +0200, Omer Zak wrote: > A completely different option, for those who want Hebrew wordprocessor > under Linux: AbiWord. > > It is lightweight yet on its way to become very powerful wordprocessor. > I am not familiar with AbiWord. 1) Did you mention Hebrew _

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 04:25:06PM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: > Hi Oleg, > You are not misreading my email. OOo is an immense product with thousands > of packages and a high rate of change. The redesign that you suggest is > happening all of the time, it's just a huge project and it will ta

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: One practical implication: Linux distributions serve their own copies of OpenOffice packages. I'm not totally sure about other distros, but I know that at least the debian one is heavily ptached with some useful patches . I have no idea if and when those patches will become pa

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Uri, Please see inline comments below. On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Uri Sharf wrote: > Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:16:44PM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: > > > > Can anybody attest to the difficulty of building it on linux from a > > source package? > > > I've built it on Ge

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Uri Sharf
Eli Marmor wrote: I hope that the comment that I sent to whatsup, clarified everything (for the lazy people: it seconds, more or less, the claims of Shachar and Jonathan). Shachar Shemesh wrote: Uri Sharf wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: Jonathan suggested that, as Tk are doing that anyways, Tk w

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Uri Sharf
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:16:44PM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Can anybody attest to the difficulty of building it on linux from a source package? I've built it on Gentoo, when I still had Gentoo that is. Long and tedious (~8 hrs on P4/2.0 GHZ), but built smoothly. I'v

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Eli Marmor
I hope that the comment that I sent to whatsup, clarified everything (for the lazy people: it seconds, more or less, the claims of Shachar and Jonathan). Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > Uri Sharf wrote: > > > Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > > >> Jonathan suggested that, as Tk are doing that anyways, Tk wi

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Oleg, You are not misreading my email. OOo is an immense product with thousands of packages and a high rate of change. The redesign that you suggest is happening all of the time, it's just a huge project and it will take a long time. Anyone who understands what it means to work on the developme

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Tzafrir, Tk Open Systems has been building OOo from source for the past year and three months. We have two very talented two engineers, Alan Yaniger and Oleg Reebakov working a total of about 300 hours per month, mainly on build issues for the four platforms we do. This is not a small expense. T

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Jonathan Ben Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem with public participation in the Hebrew OOo effort is the high > cost of maintaining knowledge of how to build OOo. OOo does not build > out-of-the-box like Apache or Squid. You have to set up a complex > development environment. Just

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Omer Zak
A completely different option, for those who want Hebrew wordprocessor under Linux: AbiWord. It is lightweight yet on its way to become very powerful wordprocessor. On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > One practical implication: Linux distributions serve their own copies of > OpenOffice p

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:16:44PM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: > Hi Uri, > The problem with public participation in the Hebrew OOo effort is the high > cost of maintaining knowledge of how to build OOo. OOo does not build > out-of-the-box like Apache or Squid. You have to set up a complex >

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 01:49:12PM +0100, Uri Sharf wrote: > Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > >Jonathan suggested that, as Tk are doing that anyways, Tk will set up a > >system where people from the community can log in (either remotely or > >pay them a visit in Jerusalem), and use their facilities to

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Uri Sharf wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: Jonathan suggested that, as Tk are doing that anyways, Tk will set up a system where people from the community can log in (either remotely or pay them a visit in Jerusalem), and use their facilities to hack OpenOffice. The precise details are a little sk

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Uri, The problem with public participation in the Hebrew OOo effort is the high cost of maintaining knowledge of how to build OOo. OOo does not build out-of-the-box like Apache or Squid. You have to set up a complex development environment. Just learning how to build OOo takes about six months f

Re: Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Uri Sharf
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Jonathan suggested that, as Tk are doing that anyways, Tk will set up a system where people from the community can log in (either remotely or pay them a visit in Jerusalem), and use their facilities to hack OpenOffice. The precise details are a little sketchy at the momen

Participating in the Open Office development effort

2004-02-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Hi all, I have just come back from a meeting which included Jonathan Ben-Avraham (a member of this list, BTW), who is the CEO of TkOs, as well as Moti Sadovsky from Sun Israel. Tk are doing the development of the Hebrew version of OpenOffice for Sun. At the meeting I raised the problem where p