Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread David Kastrup
TaoCG writes: > Kieren MacMillan wrote >> By hiding the accidental after the break, I introduce [unnecessary] >> ambiguity at the beginning of the system, which can only be resolved by >> looking backwards to the end of the last system — it is precisely for this >> reason that Gould (and many oth

Re: text

2013-03-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:48 AM, aum wrote: > Hi, > I have music with a spoken words. Is it possible to spread lyrics over > multiple > bars without note-syllable correspondence? Yes, search Notation Reference for lyrics with explicit durations. Basically its something like << { c'2 c'8 c' c'

Re: frescobaldi on mac

2013-03-26 Thread Derek
I don't now if this helps localhost:python-poppler-qt4-0.16.2 shmk$ python setup.py install --user Package poppler-qt4 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `poppler-qt4.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'poppler-qt4'

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2013-03-26 Thread aum
Hi, I have music with a spoken words. Is it possible to spread lyrics over multiple bars without note-syllable correspondence? Thanks ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Shane, > One should never read backwards your mind and fingers > have already passed through that and must know where they are destined > to go next. If you cannot remember what a chord is from one staff to > the next you are simply not concentrating. You're missing the point: As a conductor,

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Shane Brandes
I never make mistakes playing until someone throws in a cautionary accidental. Somehow they often become something other than the note it already is on account of that extra visual distraction. There is for me a need to change the note even though it would have been correct without such additional

Re: extending event-listener.ly

2013-03-26 Thread luis jure
on 2013-03-26 at 20:12 Phil Hézaine wrote: > You're right. Though it was not evident at starting it was not so > difficult to solve the problem. Thanks for your clarification. > I paste for Luis and others my solution. this is great, phil, thank you. i must be missing something, though, becau

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, > I don't see the ambiguity. So, upon seeing the screenshot I sent, you immediately knew that it was a C-natural, even though there's a C-sharp in the key signature and no other [contradicting] accidental? You should be the star of a clairvoyance show in Vegas! ;) > The note is tied anywa

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread TaoCG
Kieren MacMillan wrote > By hiding the accidental after the break, I introduce [unnecessary] > ambiguity at the beginning of the system, which can only be resolved by > looking backwards to the end of the last system — it is precisely for this > reason that Gould (and many others) suggest repeating

Re: extending event-listener.ly

2013-03-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 08:12:42PM +0100, Phil Hézaine wrote: > for NoteEvent: > > #(define (format-note engraver event) >(let* ((origin (ly:input-file-line-char-column >(ly:event-property event 'origin > (print-line engraver > "note" >

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Noeck
>> 1.) There should be a switch to choose whether tied altered notes have >> accidentals after a line break. > > There already is one. Yes, sorry for being not precise enough. I meant: keep and adapt it (like you write it:) > The thing not yet in Lilypond (AFAIK) that would be helpful is a switc

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Joram, > 1.) There should be a switch to choose whether tied altered notes have > accidentals after a line break. There already is one. The thing not yet in Lilypond (AFAIK) that would be helpful is a switch to choose whether accidentals which do appear are cautionary or regular. Perhaps if

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Noeck
Am 26.03.2013 21:35, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > I think Lilypond should offer as many options as possible, so that the > user/engraver can make the choice. I'd like to second that. I think that’s some outcome of the discussion: 1.) There should be a switch to choose whether tied altered notes

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Karol, > I think that making distiction between classical and non-clasiccal music is > very important here. "Somewhat important", I would agree — "very important", no. > ambiguity is caused by the presence of key signature. If there is no key > signature then there is no problem. Untrue: S

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Karol Majewski
I think that making distiction between classical and non-clasiccal music is very important here. To be more precise - distinction between music _with_ key signature (classical) and music _without_ key signature. The point is that ambiguity is caused by the presence of key signature. If there is no

Re: Markups crossing staff lines

2013-03-26 Thread James Worlton
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:34 PM, David Nalesnik wrote: > James, > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, James Worlton wrote: > >> >> Excellent, David. Thank you! Follow up question: Is there a way to set >> the outside-staff-priority in the markup definition itself? If this is >> explained in the ma

Re: Markups crossing staff lines

2013-03-26 Thread David Nalesnik
James, On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, James Worlton wrote: > > Excellent, David. Thank you! Follow up question: Is there a way to set the > outside-staff-priority in the markup definition itself? If this is > explained in the manuals somewhere a pointer to it will suffice. > This seems to wor

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi,1. Without a "tied-to" accidental, "starting at the beginning of thesystem" (e.g.) will almost certainly lead to confusion or errors;What makes you think so?Actually I instinctively thought the opposite.If I were to see such a note while sightreading I'm almost certain I'dmisinterprete the tie f

Re: Markups crossing staff lines

2013-03-26 Thread James Worlton
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM, David Nalesnik wrote: > Hi James, > > [snip] > > Below, I've set 'outside-staff-priority to #f, meaning that the grob will > be treated as a within-staff object. You can then move it around with > 'extra-offset. I used 'X-offset and 'Y-offset so the spacing wil

Re: Markups crossing staff lines

2013-03-26 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi James, On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM, James Worlton wrote: > Hello, > > I've been trying to get certain markups to overlay staff lines in a > keyboard score and have made some progress using \tweak #'extra-offset. > However, it appears that the space generated by the markup remains between

Re: best way to make a songbook (was "default margins and lilypond-book")

2013-03-26 Thread Urs Liska
Now that's what I call a good investment :-) I spent very little time on your case, and in return we get a very valuable resource! I will send you a few comments with private mail later, but thank you for writing this. Best Urs Am 26.03.2013 17:10, schrieb Jeremy Boor: I wrote a blog post

Re: extending event-listener.ly

2013-03-26 Thread Phil Hézaine
Le 26/03/2013 02:29, Graham Percival a écrit : On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:05:28PM +0100, Phil Hézaine wrote: Le 25/03/2013 17:29, Graham Percival a écrit : To add \parenthesize, you need to create a similar function or extend that original one to deal with those events. To see the events, try:

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Trevor Daniels" To: "Phil Holmes" ; "Janek Warchol" ; "Urs Liska" Cc: "LilyPond Users" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break But Phil's paraphrasing seems pretty close to the last paragraph. I

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Robert Schmaus
I play and typeset a lot of latin american music which has a lot of syncopation which makes this particlar scene appear quite often. Maybe I got used to something non-standard but it still seems more logical to me to omit the tied accidental and treat the measure as if there was no line break.

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:57 PM > Gould (page 80) says that a sharp note tied to another across a system break > should cause the note-tied-to to have a normal accidental, and further notes > of the same (altered) pitch should have no accidental - exactly as the OP > was requ

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread TaoCG
Kieren MacMillan wrote > 1. Without a "tied-to" accidental, "starting at the beginning of the > system" (e.g.) will almost certainly lead to confusion or errors; What makes you think so? Actually I instinctively thought the opposite. If I were to see such a note while sightreading I'm almost certa

best way to make a songbook (was "default margins and lilypond-book")

2013-03-26 Thread Jeremy Boor
I wrote a blog post about my experience making a LaTex/Lilypond songbook using \includepdf (with help from Urs). http://jboor.net/brdm/?p=172 I'm hoping the next person who searches the mailing list for songbook-making finds this. Terminological and any other corrections are welcome. I'll try to

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello all, > Gould (page 80) says that a sharp note tied to another across a system break > should cause the note-tied-to to have a normal accidental, and further notes > of the same (altered) pitch should have no accidental - exactly as the OP was > requesting. I agree with Gould 100%: 1.

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Janek Warchol" To: "Urs Liska" Cc: "LilyPond Users" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Anyway, I also think there should be only one accid

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread TaoCG
I must admit I haven't been keeping myself up to date on this topic, maybe because the last time I was annoyed by this is quite some time ago. Thanks for the hint, this seems to be the feature I was missing in the past. I will try it later. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.10690

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Richard Shann
On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 09:52 -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi, > > > I wonder... The topics been up a few times already, once by myself years ago > > when I just started with LilyPond. I already got used to remove the > > accidentals manually, but what I'd really like is an automated way to > >

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Noeck
> No, it's a feature. > Janek Hi Janek, I first thought that, too. And I still think, the repeated accidental after a line break of a tied note is a feature and good notation practice. But here, I am not sure, because two accidentals in one bar looks a bit exaggerated to me (I would keep the firs

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, > I wonder... The topics been up a few times already, once by myself years ago > when I just started with LilyPond. I already got used to remove the > accidentals manually, but what I'd really like is an automated way to > suppress them without having to use an override every time, especially

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread TaoCG
I wonder... The topics been up a few times already, once by myself years ago when I just started with LilyPond. I already got used to remove the accidentals manually, but what I'd really like is an automated way to suppress them without having to use an override every time, especially since determi

Re: How to run Lilypond from the Mac OS terminal

2013-03-26 Thread flup2
Hello, At first sight I would change one line of your .profile like this to include the lilypond binary in your path: export PATH=/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:$PATH to export PATH=/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin:$PATH Philippe -- View this

How to run Lilypond from the Mac OS terminal

2013-03-26 Thread Eduardo Silva
Hello, I'm new to the Mac OS X and I can't figure out how to run Lilypond from the terminal. What I have done so far: - Lilypond is working as a stand alone - jEdit runs and compiles Lilypond - As far as I understand I created the files as instructed in this part of the documentation (http://www.

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Richard Shann wrote: > On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 13:12 +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> Or do you refer to the accidental after the line break? > > The one after the line break (which I called a line boundary in my > original message). > I think it is a bug BTW ... No,

Re: Suggestions for participating institutions?

2013-03-26 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 03/26/2013 09:52 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > I met a former colleague in the bus to Chemnitz, and he is at least > knowledgeable about EU research programmes. Do people here have ideas > about possible institutions who could be made to participate? Imperial College, London has a fairly close re

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Richard Shann
That did the trick - thank you. Richard On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 12:58 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 26.03.2013 12:46, schrieb Richard Shann: > > > Dear LilyPonders, > > When a tied note with accidental ties across a line boundary the > > accidental is repeated in the next bar. If there is a further n

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Richard Shann
On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 13:12 +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Richard Shann > wrote: > > Dear LilyPonders, > > When a tied note with accidental ties across a line boundary the > > accidental is repeated in the next bar. If there is a further note with > > the same acc

Re: Suggestions for participating institutions?

2013-03-26 Thread Karl Hammar
Trevor Daniels: > Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:52 AM > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > > > >> I met a former colleague in the bus to Chemnitz, and he is at least > >> knowledgeable about EU research programmes. Do people here have ideas > >> about po

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Urs Liska wrote: > Anyway, I also think there should be only one accidental in the measure > after the line break (although i don't have a strong opinion on which one to > emend. > If I put an accidental on the first (i.e. the tied note) then I definitely > don't n

Re: Lyrics interfere with volta?

2013-03-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Colin Campbell wrote: > I still don't understand the original error. The problem is that voltas specified in lyrics are inserted right where lyrics are, not aligned with voltas from music. Maybe this will help you visualise what happens (it may be worth to a

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Urs Liska
Am 26.03.2013 13:12, schrieb Janek Warchoł: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Richard Shann wrote: Dear LilyPonders, When a tied note with accidental ties across a line boundary the accidental is repeated in the next bar. If there is a further note with the same accidental, the accidental is re

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Richard Shann wrote: > Dear LilyPonders, > When a tied note with accidental ties across a line boundary the > accidental is repeated in the next bar. If there is a further note with > the same accidental, the accidental is repeated, which looks very odd, > as the

Re: Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Urs Liska
Am 26.03.2013 12:46, schrieb Richard Shann: Dear LilyPonders, When a tied note with accidental ties across a line boundary the accidental is repeated in the next bar. If there is a further note with the same accidental, the accidental is repeated, which looks very odd, as the accidental has alrea

Re: how offsets and alignment works: an explanation

2013-03-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Harm, On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Morley wrote: > 2013/3/25 Thomas Morley : >> 2013/3/24 Janek Warchoł : >>> Could i ask you to write a function that would print a red dot on top >>> of a grob's refpoint? >> >> Will try the upcoming days. > > Hi Janek, > > functions below as desire

Re: Problem with lilypond-mode in emacs

2013-03-26 Thread Ralph Palmer
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Beda Szukics wrote: > Greetings > > Am 25.03.2013 14:09, schrieb Ralph Palmer: > > Greetings - > > > > I'm running LilyPond 2.16.2 under Windows 7, SP1. > > > > I've copied the *.el files from lilypond\..\site-lisp to > > \emacs\emacs-24.3\site-lisp > > I did the

Repeated accidental after tie across line break

2013-03-26 Thread Richard Shann
Dear LilyPonders, When a tied note with accidental ties across a line boundary the accidental is repeated in the next bar. If there is a further note with the same accidental, the accidental is repeated, which looks very odd, as the accidental has already been printed in that bar. This snippet illu

Re: Suggestions for participating institutions?

2013-03-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:52 AM > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> I met a former colleague in the bus to Chemnitz, and he is at least >> knowledgeable about EU research programmes. Do people here have ideas >> about possible institutions who c

Re: how offsets and alignment works: an explanation

2013-03-26 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi Urs, On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 26.03.2013 12:20, schrieb David Nalesnik: > > > The thread for displaying control-points can be found here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-lilypond@gnu.org/msg34439.html > > > Thanks. Hm, don't know why I didn't manage to find

Re: how offsets and alignment works: an explanation

2013-03-26 Thread Urs Liska
Am 26.03.2013 12:20, schrieb David Nalesnik: Hi all, On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Urs Liska > wrote: Wow, cool! Can you give a quick hint why this isn't possible to implement as an \override? Attached you'll find a function that AFAIR you provide

Re: how offsets and alignment works: an explanation

2013-03-26 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi all, On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Urs Liska wrote: > Wow, cool! > > Can you give a quick hint why this isn't possible to implement as an > \override? > > Attached you'll find a function that AFAIR you provided too, which > displays the control points of curves. > This new function would

Re: Suggestions for participating institutions?

2013-03-26 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:52 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > > Hi, > > I met a former colleague in the bus to Chemnitz, and he is at least > knowledgeable about EU research programmes. Do people here have ideas > about possible institutions who could be made to participate? I think Take in mind that

Re: Suggestions for participating institutions?

2013-03-26 Thread Urs Liska
Am 26.03.2013 10:16, schrieb Urs Liska: I have to admit that I don't fully understand the implications of that exposé yet, but it might be interesting to think about "Complete Editions". I know that it is a current discussion to enhance the idea of editions by digital media. For example the Reg

Re: Suggestions for participating institutions?

2013-03-26 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 26 mars 2013, at 10:52, David Kastrup wrote: > > Hi, > > I met a former colleague in the bus to Chemnitz, and he is at least > knowledgeable about EU research programmes. Do people here have ideas > about possible institutions who could be made to participate? I think > the conditions are

Re: how offsets and alignment works: an explanation

2013-03-26 Thread Urs Liska
Wow, cool! Can you give a quick hint why this isn't possible to implement as an \override? Attached you'll find a function that AFAIR you provided too, which displays the control points of curves. This new function would be a great companion for that, but it would of course be nice if they c

Re: Lyrics interfere with volta?

2013-03-26 Thread Colin Hall
Colin Campbell writes: > On 13-03-25 03:27 PM, Toine Schreurs wrote: >>> I'm setting a vocal piece containing a simple repeat. The code below shows >>> problems with prematurely ending a volta, but only if the Lyrics block is >>> included. I've trimmed the live version down to this: >> The lyrics

Re: Suggestions for participating institutions?

2013-03-26 Thread Urs Liska
I have to admit that I don't fully understand the implications of that exposé yet, but it might be interesting to think about "Complete Editions". I know that it is a current discussion to enhance the idea of editions by digital media. For example the Reger Edition has started to provide DVDs alo

Suggestions for participating institutions?

2013-03-26 Thread David Kastrup
Hi, I met a former colleague in the bus to Chemnitz, and he is at least knowledgeable about EU research programmes. Do people here have ideas about possible institutions who could be made to participate? I think the conditions are institutions from at least three EU countries, and monetary part