Re: [lfs-dev] Split systemd upstream's response

2012-06-19 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 07:46:51AM -0600, Matthew Burgess wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:40:39 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Armin K. wrote: > >> For those of you not following systemd-devel mailing list, here are some > >> responses from Lennart regarding systemd and udev split. > > > > I figur

Re: [lfs-dev] Split systemd upstream's response

2012-06-19 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:34:23PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 07:46:51AM -0600, Matthew Burgess wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:40:39 -0500, Bruce Dubbs > > wrote: > > > Armin K. wrote: > > >> For those of you not following syste

Re: [lfs-dev] Glibc-2.16.0

2012-07-01 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 06:20:52PM +0100, Andrew Benton wrote: > I should confess that (as I'm a devotee of the Klingon School of > Programming) I didn't run any of the tests, so there may be some more > bugs under those rocks. > > Andy By Her Noodliness, that looks fun! Or perhaps FFun with _tw

Re: [lfs-dev] udev-lfs-186

2012-07-14 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 01:37:30PM -0700, Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Haven't had a chance to try this yet, but: > > Armin K. wrote: > > I've taken some time and wrote rules to build udev's keymap feature. > > We disable keymap in -182, and have for (IIRC) a long time. It's > probably therefore bette

Re: [lfs-dev] udev-lfs-186

2012-07-14 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 04:53:35PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Armin K. wrote: > > On 07/14/2012 10:49 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > > Here are some corrections to your work. I've defined path to usb.ids and > > pci.ids, added common library to shared libudev because there are > > undefined referenc

Re: [lfs-dev] udev-lfs-186

2012-07-14 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 05:03:18PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Armin K. wrote: > > On 07/14/2012 11:35 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Armin K. wrote: > >>> On 07/14/2012 10:49 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I'll take a look. Thanks for the suggestions. > >> > >>> Here are some corrections to yo

[lfs-dev] Grammar was Re: 6.62. Udev-186 (Extracted from systemd-186)

2012-07-16 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 09:54:40PM +0300, Ivan Kabaivanov wrote: > > actually if we're gonna be sticklers for grammar and puctuation rules, it's > gotta be: > > Installed programs: accelerometer, ata_id, cdrom_id, collect, mtd_probe, > scsi_id, v4l_id, udevadm, and udevd > > (notice the comma

Re: [lfs-dev] Grammar

2012-07-16 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 06:47:47PM -0500, DJ Lucas wrote: > Huh, I've never heard the term Serial or Harvard, only Oxford. > Ultimately, I see it only as a matter of personal style, except when it > actually does make the sentence ambiguous. Agreed (including the terms Serial and Havard - I forg

Re: [lfs-dev] Glibc-2.16.0 [ test-installation.pl ]

2012-08-14 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 11:21:44AM -0700, Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Fun fun fun. :-) > > Andrew Benton wrote: > > test-installation.pl failed with an error: > > > > root:/sources/glibc-2.16.0# CC="gcc" /usr/bin/perl > > scripts/test-installation.pl /sources/glibc-build/ > > Unmatched ( in regex; m

Re: [lfs-dev] Glibc-2.16.0 [ test-installation.pl ]

2012-08-14 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:31:36PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > > When the ld.so regexp triggers on x86_64, the line contains: > > ld.so-version=$(if $(abi-64-ld-soname),$(abi-64-ld-soname),ld.so.1) > > > > My initial reaction when I saw that was unprintable - I still have > > no idea where

Re: [lfs-dev] Glibc-2.16.0 [ test-installation.pl ]

2012-08-15 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:40:28PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:31:36PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >>> > >>>When the ld.so regexp triggers on x86_64, the line contains: > >>> ld.so-version=$(if $(

Re: [lfs-dev] Glibc-2.16.0 [ test-installation.pl ]

2012-08-15 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 04:56:06PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > For the moment, please don't treat this as a priority. I've been > distracted by other things today and am nowhere near confirming that > it is indeed a perl-5.16 problem. If it isn't caused by perl-5.16, &

Re: [lfs-dev] Glibc-2.16.0 [ test-installation.pl ]

2012-08-16 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 09:51:01PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > soversions.mk is created in make, not make install. The suspect code is > in Makeconfig around line 839: > > echo "$$lib.so-version=\$$(if > \$$(abi-$(default-abi)-$$lib-soname),\$$(abi-$(default-abi)-$$lib-s

[lfs-dev] tzdata

2012-08-17 Thread Ken Moffat
On support, Markku Pesonen pointed out that up to glibc-2.15 the tzdata was installed in both /usr/share/zoneinfo{,/posix} for data without leap seconds, and the data with leapseconds was installed into /usr/share/zoneinfo/right. He also noted that debian still do this. Taking a look at tzdata

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata

2012-08-17 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:52:40PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Looking at the date code in coreutils, I think the only things that use > the zoneinfo data is when TZ is set or /etc/localtime is a copy of a > file in the zone DB. I'll be interested in what you find. > I do wish you hadn't sa

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata

2012-08-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 07:34:04AM +0200, g@free.fr wrote: > > > - Mail original - > > De: "Ken Moffat" > > À: "LFS Developers Mailinglist" > > Envoyé: Samedi 18 Août 2012 05:08:05 > > Objet: Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata > > >

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata

2012-08-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 07:34:04AM +0200, g@free.fr wrote: > > > flex-2.5.37 - still the 2 failures, they don't seem to be related to > > date/time consideration : test-bison-yyl{loc,val}. Again, I'll > > probably defer these until the tzdata is a bit clearer. > > > This is a bison-2.6 issue

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata

2012-08-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:16:08PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:52:40PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I'm rerunning a full build right now. I intended to check all tests, > but it's not done yet. I did leave /etc/

[lfs-dev] sed test failures, and locales was Re: tzdata

2012-08-18 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 04:57:03PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 07:34:04AM +0200, g@free.fr wrote: > > > > I am with glibc-2.11 with chroot /etc/localtime as a copy of real > > /etc/localtime. > > > > I don't see test failures in s

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata

2012-08-19 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 07:26:43PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > the tests pass. I think we we have a problem with the time zone > installation. Right now we are using: > > for tz in etcetera ...; do > zic -L leapseconds -d /usr/share/zoneinfo -y "sh yearistype.sh" \ > ${tz} > do

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata2012e.tar.gz

2012-08-19 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:12:20PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken, >You suggested separating the time zone data into a separate page. > One problem is that the tarball does not expand into a separate directory. > > One place where this can cause a problem is with jhalfs. What do you > thin

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata2012e.tar.gz

2012-08-19 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:05:16PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > > Earlier, I think I said something like " I'm fixing my buildscripts" - > that was caused by this. Jhalfs is, as you know, not something I use. > If it's easier to repackage tzdata, we can note why w

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata2012e.tar.gz

2012-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 08:21:16PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > > But in the meantime I've been thinking - this is the > > weekend, _most_ people who post are in the Northern hemisphere where > > it is a peak holiday season : there is no need to

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata2012e.tar.gz

2012-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 08:36:49AM +0100, Matt Burgess wrote: > > I must admit, I really don't like putting 'lfs' in the tarball name. > Can't we still use the same 'unpack; cd; build' process, if we add a > note that one needs to use tar's --transform option? The following > works for me: > > t

Re: [lfs-dev] Glibc-2.16.0 [ test-installation.pl ]

2012-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 07:07:23PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Ken Moffat wrote: > > >> I think that means our build process is no longer adequate for this > >> version of glibc. > > That's overstating things a bit. I'

[lfs-dev] rpc headers from glibc

2012-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
When I was looking at fedora, I noticed that they use another configure switch: --enable-obsolete-rpc. Adding that installs the rpc and rpcsvc headers (as well as the rpcsvc pascal .x files which glibc used to install [ I looked at 2.12.2 ]. Does that seem a worthwhile change to make ? (not tes

Re: [lfs-dev] Introduction

2012-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:48:58PM -0500, Randy McMurchy wrote: > Hi all, > > Though some may remember me from my work in the LFS community, many > of you will not. So, I would like to re-introduce myself. My name is > Randy McMurchy and I have been building LFS since March of 2004. Hard > to beli

Re: [lfs-dev] tzdata2012e.tar.gz

2012-08-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 08:21:16PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Debian does not seem to > copy the .tab files (may not be needed), In fact, there only ever seems to have been one tab file (zones.tab) - documentation, a table of all the timezones. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das ander

Re: [lfs-dev] [lfs-book] r9944 - in trunk/BOOK: . chapter01 chapter06 udev-config

2012-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:22:46PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > k...@linuxfromscratch.org wrote: > > Author: ken > > Date: 2012-08-20 17:51:22 -0600 (Mon, 20 Aug 2012) > > New Revision: 9944 > > > > Modified: > > trunk/BOOK/udev-config/ChangeLog > > trunk/BOOK/udev-config/Makefile > > Ken,

Re: [lfs-dev] Proposed package freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:13:45PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am proposing that we freeze LFS for 7.2 with the packages we now have > in svn. There is one outstanding ticket to address glibc issues, but > that does not require a package change. > > Util-linux may come out with a new release

Re: [lfs-dev] Proposed package freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 03:14:47PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:13:45PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> I am proposing that we freeze LFS for 7.2 with the packages we now have > >> in svn. > > > I'd like to

Re: [lfs-dev] Proposed package freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 06:11:14PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > > But I don't understand the reference to KOI8 - I've got it > > installed, but it won't be used in a utf8 test. > > We are talking about different packages. The four

Re: [lfs-dev] Proposed package freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:48:33AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 06:11:14PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > > We are talking about different packages. The four you mention in sed > > looking for LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 and one place in grep: > > > &

Re: [lfs-dev] Proposed package freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:44:15AM +0100, Jasmine Iwanek wrote: > On 2012-08-22 01:22, Ken Moffat wrote: > > I'm adding the extra locales. Then I'll add the patch for sed. > > > > ĸen > > -- > > das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce >

Re: [lfs-dev] [lfs-book] r9951 - in trunk/BOOK: . chapter01 chapter03 chapter06

2012-08-21 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 08:49:49PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Ken, when you add an entry in the change log, please do it at the top so > we can tell the order of changes by reading up (as the dates are). > >-- Bruce > I've never done that before, either here or in BLFS. Indeed, I take

[lfs-dev] Possible gcc problem

2012-08-22 Thread Ken Moffat
Just a heads-up that on at least one box (mine), gcc-4.7.1 might be problematic for the kernel in certain circumstances. I've been using 3.5.0 on the LFS-7.1 system on this box, and it is fine. Didn't have time to upgrade the kernel, but 3.5.2 came out during my latest build - so, I dropped tha

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible gcc problem

2012-08-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 02:34:20AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > Just a heads-up that on at least one box (mine), gcc-4.7.1 might be > problematic for the kernel in certain circumstances. > Turns out I don't use two machines very often, or if I do, I switch to a spare tty, then us

[lfs-dev] automake sed

2012-08-23 Thread Ken Moffat
With my current experience of failed testsuites, and (probable hardware failure causing) a bogus delay to 7.2-rc1, I hate to mention this, but the sed in automake-1.12.3 is already included upstream: ken@ac4tv /scratch/ken/automake-1.12.3 $diff -C 8 t/aclocal7.sh{.orig,} *** t/aclocal7.sh.orig 2

Re: [lfs-dev] automake sed

2012-08-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 08:10:00PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > OK. That's why it's a -rc1 and not a final release. Removing the sed > is no big deal. Do you want to do it? Only svn needs the change. > Done - I was ignoring mail while I made sure my initial BLFS scripts were using current

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible problem with current glibc (LFS 7.2 cant recompile LFS 7.2)

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:46:26AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Everything looks OK to me. Jasmine, what is the command line (from the > log) that produces the error? I don't know what you are doing that > wants to output to cross-rpc_clntout.o. > >-- Bruce > Interrupting, after some bu

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible problem with current glibc (LFS 7.2 cant recompile LFS 7.2)

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 03:38:57PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:46:26AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> > >> Everything looks OK to me. Jasmine, what is the command line (from the > >> log) that produces the err

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible problem with current glibc (LFS 7.2 cant recompile LFS 7.2)

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:13:10PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > > So, yes, as you have pointed out, it is using the host's compiler > here. > > Looking at my previous builds, in 2.14.1 and 2.15 cross-rpc did not > get built, so something based on the initial patch I point

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible problem with current glibc (LFS 7.2 cant recompile LFS 7.2)

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 05:24:42PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > > It would now appear there is an error in the sunrpc portion of the > Makefile that is calling the wrong gcc. I guess it didn't fail for me > because I did install libtirpc for testi

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible problem with current glibc (LFS 7.2 cant recompile LFS 7.2)

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 06:14:17PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > I tried setting CC in the environment for just the make and it didn't > > work. I also tried exporting BUILD_CC and wasn't picked up either. Now > > I just edited the Makefile to set BUILD_CC and it will take

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible problem with current glibc (LFS 7.2 cant recompile LFS 7.2)

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 07:14:33PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 06:14:17PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> > >>> I tried setting CC in the environment for just the make and it didn't

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible problem with current glibc (LFS 7.2 cant recompile LFS 7.2)

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 02:08:26AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: ... The cause of all this is commit 28e725016266de6cc18f7aef5c675c57b7a42a89 Author: Maxim Kuvyrkov Date: Thu May 10 17:07:45 2012 + Build rpcgen-generated files when cross compiling. but it doesn't revert cleanly ag

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible problem with current glibc (LFS 7.2 cant recompile LFS 7.2)

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 06:51:37PM -0700, Bryan Kadzban wrote: > > Uh, isn't that backwards? :-) > > BUILD_CC is the CC to use to build programs that will be executed on the > cross-compilation *source* architecture, not the destination. ${LFS_TGT} > is the destination arch. The glibc sources a

Re: [lfs-dev] Possible problem with current glibc (LFS 7.2 cant recompile LFS 7.2)

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 08:53:27PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Hmm. I have: > > x86_64-lfs-linux-gnu-gcc rpc_main.c -c -std=gnu99 -fgnu89-inline -O2 > -Wall -Winline -Wwrite-strings -fmerge-all-constants -frounding-math -g > -Wstrict-prototypes-D_RPC_THREAD_SAFE_ -I../include > -I/

Re: [lfs-dev] glibc and rpc headers

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 07:59:25PM -0700, Bryan Kadzban wrote: > > Pulling in a reply from the other thread... > > Ken Moffat wrote: > > but I'm still expecting to see moans about this new requirement, > > Yeah, that's understandable. Hmm. > > Well, l

Re: [lfs-dev] glibc and rpc headers

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 03:46:00AM +0100, Jasmine Iwanek wrote: > > As I've stated several times now, we should *not* be pulling host > headers into glibc. > You haven't explained why you didn't install the headers on youur first build. In page 6.9 we say Install NIS and RPC related headers t

Re: [lfs-dev] glibc and rpc headers

2012-08-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 09:30:56PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Starting a new thread. > [...] > > I'm starting to think that the problem is that we've built Chapter 6 > glibc in 7.2 without the --enable-obsolete-rpc which would probably > solve the problem there. For a 7.1 host, we'd need a no

Re: [lfs-dev] glibc and rpc headers

2012-08-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 09:48:41AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I think we have corner case here. The only system that is a problem is > 7.1 without libtirpc being installed (or someone who didn't follow the > book). Now that I think of it, we could add to the host system > requirements a c

Re: [lfs-dev] #3172: Glibc bug

2012-08-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 02:13:12PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Moving to -dev. > > > Comment(by ken@…): > > > > Replying to [comment:5 bdubbs@…]: > > > Replying to [comment:4 ken@…]: > > > > The arch patch *does* apply to 2.16.0 for me. > > I don't know what I did before, but it does apply

Re: [lfs-dev] #3172: Glibc bug

2012-08-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 05:43:21PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Reading the Fedora messages was interesting. I went ahead and added the > patch. Looking at the book's change log, we've made 5 changes since > -rc1. The most significant were today with changes in glibc, but > standing back an

Re: [lfs-dev] FYI: mountpoint

2012-08-28 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 06:28:11PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > I am building LFS-7.0 but this may also be true of the latest LFS > > I have found that mountpoint and its man page is in util-linux and > sysvinit packages. > I know that the way LFS installs packages the sysvinit package would > over

Re: [lfs-dev] glibc tzdata

2012-08-30 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:55:39PM +0200, Tobias Gasser wrote: > > > to save some time and space, i don't build the posix files but use links: > Yeah, you can do that, but on a modern system, in the context of building the system with LFS, the time is immaterial. The space for the posix direct

Re: [lfs-dev] Typo in glibc instructions

2012-08-31 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:02:23AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ragnar Thomsen wrote: > > In the glibc instructions in chapter 6 just before copying the NIS/RPC > > headers > > there is a typo: > > > > "Install NIS and RPC related headers that are not installed by default; > > these > > are requir

Re: [lfs-dev] Testing for purity - Chapter 5

2012-09-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Sep 01, 2012 at 05:01:07PM +0100, Jasmine Iwanek wrote: > Results are from building ch5 glibc onwards in ch5 (not installed) > Sorry, I forgot I intended to reply to this. > binutils build pass2: (superficial) > -/mnt/lfs/tools/bin/../lib/gcc/i686-lfs-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../i686-lfs-

Re: [lfs-dev] Systemd

2012-09-28 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:34:44PM +0200, Ragnar Thomsen wrote: > On Thursday 27 September 2012 15:05:00 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > My system boots to the login prompt in about 8 seconds without it. How > > much time do you think it might save? > > My system boots to login in around 10 seconds, and w

Re: [blfs-dev] [blfs-book] [BLFS Trac] #3588: ImageMagick-6.7.9-9

2012-10-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:03:50PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > >>>I don't follow systemd, no doubt some of the changes are important > >>> for the project, but without monitoring it I can't guess which, if > >>&g

Re: [lfs-dev] OT: Re: How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 11:23:12AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > > Ugh, > > If Lennart and redhat succeed in moving linux to systemd I am moving to > *BSD. I have talked to many BSD developers ( there was a linux fest on > saturday here) and they plan on sticking to a "scripts" base init > system

[lfs-dev] standalone-udev

2012-10-02 Thread Ken Moffat
(changing the subject) On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 06:32:14PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: >I see that Bryan has a 'fork' of standalone udev (I > guess that just means his own branch), and at least one of his > commits has gone into standalone. If anyone wants to play with s

Re: [lfs-dev] standalone-udev

2012-10-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 02:42:57PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Ken, I'm not sure I follow. At least in -193, there is no autogen.sh. > I can't find a standalone-udev tarball with google. I also think our > methodology is a bit cleaner, especially since BLFS builds gudev and > keymap (fro

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 06:42:40PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root > directories and /usr. > My initial feeling was very negative - it doesn't seem to affect me (/usr has always been part of / rather than separate on all my buil

Re: [lfs-dev] OT: Re: How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-03 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 07:52:14PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > > Actually it goes much farther for me. It isn't just this package or > that package but a general direction of linux seems to going down hill ( > in my opinion) faster that a snowball headed for hell. Everyone seems to > want someth

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 05:47:27PM +0200, Henrik /KaarPoSoft wrote: > > This was actually much more painless than I had expected; in contrast, > updating to a new version of gcc or gnome is 10-20 times more work (not > to mention upgrading Python, which seems like a project for a lifetime). >

Re: [lfs-dev] OT: Re: How to install Systemd-193 on LFS

2012-10-04 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 08:29:51AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > On 10/04/2012 08:15 AM, Matthew Burgess wrote: > > On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:09:50 -0400, Baho Utot > > wrote: > > > >> The file system is ext3 the same as on each box. Rsync is not an option > >> as only the desktop machine has it at t

Re: [lfs-dev] Boot and shutdown timing

2012-10-06 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 03:51:25PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: > > > > > If you use /dev/sd??, then I wish you the best of luck the next time the > > kernel's disk discovery order changes. Because it's not guaranteed to > > remain the same forever, and so when it changes, your

Re: [lfs-dev] Boot and shutdown timing

2012-10-07 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 07:55:03PM -0700, Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > > I think you are stretching here a bit. I think there would be quite > > an outcry if sda and sdb were swapped just by rebooting (to the same > > drive). > > There might be an outcry, but I don't think it'

Re: [lfs-dev] [lfs-support] What Is "The" LFS Partition?

2012-11-06 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:09:44PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Well if you have a mount point of /mnt/lfs, you can try doing: > > mount -t tmpfs -o rw,size=4G tmpfs /mnt/lfs > mkdir /mnt/lfs/sources > cp -a /mnt/lfs/sources > > I'd think that 4G would be plenty. After building, don't forget

Re: [lfs-dev] $100 for helping me understand/fix this

2012-11-20 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:07:41AM -0800, Paige Thompson wrote: > Hey guys, what do you think of this: > > http://benoit.papillault.free.fr/notes/mk-cross-gcc > > sounds promising > I think the whole discussion belongs on lfs-chat :) It has no obvious relevance to how the LFS book will develo

Re: [lfs-dev] Error with check-0.9.9

2012-11-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:04:01PM +0100, Pierre Labastie wrote: > At this place in the book, everything should be independant on what is > on the host, shouldn't it ? librt and libpthread are both from glibc. I > more suspect the optimization, as pointed out by Armin. Trying again > without op

Re: [lfs-dev] Notes on using Debian as an LFS host

2012-11-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:39:05PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Just following up on this. > > First, the Intel Atom, at least model D2700, does not have 4 cores. It > has 2 cores, each with hyper threading. This gives the appearance of 4 > cores but not the performance.

Re: [lfs-dev] Udev-196 not create /dev/disk/by-{id, label, uuid, ...}, not bring up eth0.

2012-11-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 04:42:13PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Armin K. wrote: > > > > Sorry, I forgot ... This is forked udev repo https://github.com/gentoo/eudev > > Thanks for the links. I'm reading them. > >-- Bruce > I'm still waiting to see how that pans out, and wondering why these

Re: [lfs-dev] gptfdisk

2012-12-30 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:07:08PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Perhaps adding the page to BLFS and expanding the first paragraph in > section 9.3 of LFS would be the way to go. > Seems reasonable. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mai

Re: [lfs-dev] Temporary wget block

2013-01-01 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 01:21:26PM -0600, Gerard Beekmans wrote: > Hi guys, > > After reviewing logs I ended up having to block the wget user agent in > Apache for the time being. Pages such as > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/stable/ are causing issues > with wget. > > The name

Re: [lfs-dev] Temporary wget block

2013-01-01 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 02:18:02PM -0600, Gerard Beekmans wrote: > > All this will be a moot point before this month (January) is out. Excellent. > Later > today I will try an experiment to reconfigure Apache to turn off the > sorting headers and allow wget again and monitor usage and make a

[lfs-dev] higgs and the book list

2013-01-23 Thread Ken Moffat
Just checked I can access LFS on svn. r10101 and r10102 to add a testfile and then delete it. Seemed fine, but I got two mails like this - guess I'd better hold off testing that BLFS still works. ĸen Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:46:51 -0700 From: lfs-book-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org To: k...@higg

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 01:31:31PM +, Matt Burgess wrote: > On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 23:17 +, Matt Burgess wrote: > > > I think it's probably fine too. I probably won't have time to run a > > test build this weekend with it in though. > > So, I managed to carve out some time :-) I've decid

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 09:56:20AM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 01:31:31PM +, Matt Burgess wrote: > >> On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 23:17 +, Matt Burgess wrote: > >> > >>> I think it's probably fine too. I

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-23 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:24:54AM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > > Cheers, I've just been preparing one (without the three ChangeLog > > parts). Attached. > > I don't think that's enough. The first failure is in > gcc/doc/cpp

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 08:13:36PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > It turns out that the above warning does not actually stop the build > like s/item/itemx/ does. > > > Leave it with me - even if a larger patch does solve everything, I > >guess a workaround will still be needed in chapter 5 for bu

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 01:31:23PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Pierre Labastie wrote: > >> Le 23/02/2013 22:52, Bruce Dubbs a écrit : > > > > > > Good point. I didn't notice that they were there by default. If the > > .info files are present, then there is no need to build

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 05:02:49PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Of course we are not building Fortran or Ada or Java, but with the > commands I wrote earlier, I do have the following in /usr/share/info: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 240866 Feb 24 19:13 cpp.info > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 50231 Fe

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 06:45:26PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Nitpick: Its Ada, not ADA. Ada stands for Augusta Ada King, Countess > of Lovelace, the first programmer. She worked with Charles Babbage. > >-- Bruce > See : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/22/verity_stob_8086_and_al

[lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
In LFS-7.2 we removed resizecons because at that time it only installed on "i386" and it was generally useless for LFS users. My explanation said: Remove the redundant resizecons program (32-bit x86 only, needs the defunct svgalib, which predates linux-2.6 and is incompatible with modern KMS, to

Re: [lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:22:11PM +, Ken Moffat wrote: > In LFS-7.2 we removed resizecons because at that time it only > installed on "i386" and it was generally useless for LFS users. My > explanation said: > > Remove the redundant resizecons program (32-bit x86

Re: [lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 04:56:10PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Since I don't use normally kbd at all, my experiences are limited. I > almost never use the 'console' except via ssh and fonts are then > controlled by the remote terminal program. > > I'll defer to your judgement. Just give me

Re: [lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:25:55PM +, Matt Burgess wrote: > On Mon, 2013-02-25 at 22:47 +0000, Ken Moffat wrote: > > > So perhaps we should just disable them again ? I've given up > > caring wither way, I'd just like the book to be consistent in what > > is

Re: [lfs-dev] kbd-1.15.5 : resizecons

2013-02-25 Thread Ken Moffat
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 05:34:32PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Yes, I intend to make 7.3 from svn on Friday, but I can delay that if we > think we need to. I do hesitate to put things off because new packages > just keep on turning up. On average, a new package in LFS is released > once eve

[lfs-dev] texinfo - inetutils

2013-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
Did I miss a fix for inetutils ? Apparently it installs fine for everyone who has used it, but I'm seeing this during 'make install': make: Entering directory `/building/inetutils-1.9.1/doc' rm -rf inetutils.htp if /bin/sh /building/inetutils-1.9.1/build-aux/missing --run makeinfo --html -I .

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo - inetutils

2013-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 05:34:06PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > The real question is why does your make wants to build html files? I > have no reference to them at all. > >-- Bruce Thanks. On the host (texinfo-4.13) it doesn't seem to reference them. I'll compare the logs. ĸen -- das

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo - inetutils

2013-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 06:43:56PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 05:34:06PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> > >> The real question is why does your make wants to build html files? I > >> have no reference to them a

[lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On my build of approximately 7.3 I got 4 failures in the procps tests. Pierre has fixed two of them (slabtop), but now that I've finished a minimal desktop I wanted to try to understand the other two before I try to prove it can build itself [ _without_ analyzing if it is bitwise the same, I've l

Re: [lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 08:51:37PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > On my build of approximately 7.3 I got 4 failures in the procps > > tests. Pierre has fixed two of them (slabtop), but now that I've > > finished a minimal desktop I wanted to t

Re: [lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-27 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 03:08:18AM +, Ken Moffat wrote: > > - not my main problem at the moment - I'm now running it, but nfs > (with updates) isn't working. Adding an /etc/netconfig (!) sort of > helps, but rpcbind still isn't working. I'm seeing > rpc

Re: [lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 08:51:37PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Ken Moffat wrote: > > The interesting part of the log is: > > > > Running ./pgrep.test/pgrep.exp ... > > ERROR: tcl error sourcing ./pgrep.test/pgrep.exp. > > ERROR: can't read "tty": n

Re: [lfs-dev] procps-ng test failures, and other tests

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 05:51:30PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > I'm not sure. The base code has: > > set pmap "${topdir}pmap" > set pmap_initname "1:\\s+\\S+\[^\\r\]+\\s+" > ... > set test "pmap X with unreachable process" > spawn $pmap -X 1 > expect_pass $test "$pmap_initname\$" > > The sed r

[lfs-dev] my test results from letting current svn build itself

2013-02-28 Thread Ken Moffat
Further comments on other testsuites. This is with current LFS-svn (linux-3.8.0, file-5.13, and Bruce's suggestions for using the shipped info files from gcc, plus eudev instead of Bruce's continuing efforts to tame udev from systemd). Much as expected. This time in glibc I got Error 1 from n

[lfs-dev] LFS will need bc.

2013-04-01 Thread Ken Moffat
I'd seen comments on the kernel list about bc being required in 3.9, and then forgotten about them (on my desktops I have it anyway, for xscreensaver). It gets used for kernel/timeconst.h https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2143611/ Now I'm just doing a fresh 7.3 install to test some changes I p

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