In support of this I'd like to say that I agree. If all women
were 'womanly' in the traditional way, it would be a hard,
lonely world for me and others like me. Some people
like women who act like what mainstream society often
says women should act like, others don't.
Personal experience has sh
> For those women out there who are married, how many
> of you are with people who are clueless about the
> technical side of your nature and have no interest in it?
> My guess would be it ranges from not many to none.
> This street runs both ways, many guys find it frustrating
> that society gene
On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Deidre L. Calarco wrote:
> Actually, it's frightening how some of the engineers I work with talk about
> their wives - in a really condescending way, as though the women are
> complete idiots and computers and technical stuff are completely beyond
> their grasp. These are guy
On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> My SO and I went out with a couple last week (and a fifth person who
> missed all the interpersonal play between them). He put her down several
> times and did the "stick with me and you'll understand this some day."
>
> It was disgusting. I wanted to
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From: Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 2:36 PM
Subject: Engineers and their wives Re: [issues] Re: games for girls
>My SO and I went out with a couple last week (and a fifth person who
>mis
Hmmm I've been married and divorced twice, 1st to a non-geek (i was
young, he was clueless) then to a COBOL coder. Both ex's were
extremely threatened of the geek male friends I had/have. My current SO
and I have such a secure
relationship that he isn't bothered. While he will only use a co
> Fortunately, I have
> yet to encounter workplace situations that parallel ones like the time a
> fellow CS student told me I wouldn't succeed in the field because women
> don't have problem-solving skills. (This was in a conversation in which he
> was kindly explaining to me the differences in m
"Deidre L. Calarco" wrote:
> BTW, I've been with the same guy for eight years (we're not married, but we
> own a house together). He's even more technically oriented than I am. I
> think he would have a lot trouble relating to a woman who wasn't into
> computers, although he does have many othe
> > Am I kidding myself if I'm telling myself
> > that I can do anything men can do?
>
> No. As far as I can tell, there may be a difference in average aptitude for
> men and women in certain areas (due to socialization, biology, or whatever),
> but that doesn't say anything about what a particu
"Deidre L. Calarco" wrote:
>
> BTW, I've been with the same guy for eight years (we're not married, but we
> own a house together). He's even more technically oriented than I am. I
> think he would have a lot trouble relating to a woman who wasn't into
> computers, although he does have many ot
Blackjax wrote:
>
> It is not really
> a male vs. female thing, it is a technical vs. non-technical, he has no
> problems I've noticed with respecting women who tend to approach things
> the same way he does.
> Anyway, I'll also say that some people are predisposed to miss this kind
> of behavior
On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 12:59:54PM +0800, Deidre L. Calarco wrote:
> BTW, I've been with the same guy for eight years (we're not married, but we
> own a house together). He's even more technically oriented than I am. I
> think he would have a lot trouble relating to a woman who wasn't into
> com
On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 01:56:33PM -0500, J. Myers wrote:
>
> This was something that particularly bothered me while I was in college.
> Sometimes professors would ask about treatment by my male peers, and if I
> had anything to say other than "they treat me no differently than other
> males," I
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Every time the issue of women in computing comes up in slashdot, the
> comments from the male geeks fall into two categories:
>
> 1. female geeks are lightweights and don't code obsessively enough
> 2. I wish more females geeks were socially/sexually
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Every time the issue of women in computing comes up in slashdot, the
> comments from the male geeks fall into two categories:
>
> 1. female geeks are lightweights and don't code obsessively enough
> 2. I wish more females geeks were socially/sexually
At 07:16 PM 10/6/99 , Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>> And as soon as you have a life, you're seen as less of a techie in the
>> great dicksize war that is techiedom. People may envy you for a while,
>> but then they'll start commenting on how you're only working 40-50 hour
>> weeks and not pulling all
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've often commented that female geeks, on average (disclaimer! disclaimer!)
> tend to be less obsessive than male ones and more likely to "have a life".
That wasn't true for me when I was 20. However, I'm 40 now. :)
Even male 40-year-old obsessed g
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, my geek friend is also into sewing, also for SCA costuming purposes,
> and we got chatting about the way we sew. See, sewing is hacking. You
> have a problem which you have to solve with a mixture of intuition,
> design, mathematics, and conce
[Cc'd to my dad for his interest; Dad, this is part of a discussion on
a mailing list for women who use Linux... I'd be interested in your
thoughts on the stuff below]
On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 03:26:53PM -0400, Blackjax wrote:
> I know what you are talking about because I grew up with parents who
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