[issues] Geek-producing mothers

1999-10-06 Thread skud
[Cc'd to my dad for his interest; Dad, this is part of a discussion on a mailing list for women who use Linux... I'd be interested in your thoughts on the stuff below] On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 03:26:53PM -0400, Blackjax wrote: > I know what you are talking about because I grew up with parents who

Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've often commented that female geeks, on average (disclaimer! disclaimer!) > tend to be less obsessive than male ones and more likely to "have a life". That wasn't true for me when I was 20. However, I'm 40 now. :) Even male 40-year-old obsessed g

Re: [issues] Geek-producing mothers

1999-10-06 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, my geek friend is also into sewing, also for SCA costuming purposes, > and we got chatting about the way we sew. See, sewing is hacking. You > have a problem which you have to solve with a mixture of intuition, > design, mathematics, and conce

[issues] Geeks and work/leisure (Was Re: games for girls)

1999-10-06 Thread Danyeke Swanson
At 07:16 PM 10/6/99 , Deirdre Saoirse wrote: >> And as soon as you have a life, you're seen as less of a techie in the >> great dicksize war that is techiedom. People may envy you for a while, >> but then they'll start commenting on how you're only working 40-50 hour >> weeks and not pulling all

Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Every time the issue of women in computing comes up in slashdot, the > comments from the male geeks fall into two categories: > > 1. female geeks are lightweights and don't code obsessively enough > 2. I wish more females geeks were socially/sexually

Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Every time the issue of women in computing comes up in slashdot, the > comments from the male geeks fall into two categories: > > 1. female geeks are lightweights and don't code obsessively enough > 2. I wish more females geeks were socially/sexually

Re: Engineers and their wives Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread skud
On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 01:56:33PM -0500, J. Myers wrote: > > This was something that particularly bothered me while I was in college. > Sometimes professors would ask about treatment by my male peers, and if I > had anything to say other than "they treat me no differently than other > males," I

Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread skud
On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 12:59:54PM +0800, Deidre L. Calarco wrote: > BTW, I've been with the same guy for eight years (we're not married, but we > own a house together). He's even more technically oriented than I am. I > think he would have a lot trouble relating to a woman who wasn't into > com

Re: Engineers and their wives Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread jenn
Blackjax wrote: > > It is not really > a male vs. female thing, it is a technical vs. non-technical, he has no > problems I've noticed with respecting women who tend to approach things > the same way he does. > Anyway, I'll also say that some people are predisposed to miss this kind > of behavior

Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread jenn
"Deidre L. Calarco" wrote: > > BTW, I've been with the same guy for eight years (we're not married, but we > own a house together). He's even more technically oriented than I am. I > think he would have a lot trouble relating to a woman who wasn't into > computers, although he does have many ot

RE: Engineers and their wives Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Samantha Jo Moore
> > Am I kidding myself if I'm telling myself > > that I can do anything men can do? > > No. As far as I can tell, there may be a difference in average aptitude for > men and women in certain areas (due to socialization, biology, or whatever), > but that doesn't say anything about what a particu

[issues] Good and bad reasons for giving up programming (was games for girls)

1999-10-06 Thread Rachel Greenham
"Deidre L. Calarco" wrote: > BTW, I've been with the same guy for eight years (we're not married, but we > own a house together). He's even more technically oriented than I am. I > think he would have a lot trouble relating to a woman who wasn't into > computers, although he does have many othe

Re: Engineers and their wives Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Deidre L. Calarco
> Fortunately, I have > yet to encounter workplace situations that parallel ones like the time a > fellow CS student told me I wouldn't succeed in the field because women > don't have problem-solving skills. (This was in a conversation in which he > was kindly explaining to me the differences in m

RE: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Clare Smith
Hmmm I've been married and divorced twice, 1st to a non-geek (i was young, he was clueless) then to a COBOL coder. Both ex's were extremely threatened of the geek male friends I had/have. My current SO and I have such a secure relationship that he isn't bothered. While he will only use a co

Re: Engineers and their wives Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Blackjax
-Original Message- From: Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 2:36 PM Subject: Engineers and their wives Re: [issues] Re: games for girls >My SO and I went out with a couple last week (and a fifth person who >mis

Re: Engineers and their wives Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread J. Myers
On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > My SO and I went out with a couple last week (and a fifth person who > missed all the interpersonal play between them). He put her down several > times and did the "stick with me and you'll understand this some day." > > It was disgusting. I wanted to

Engineers and their wives Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Deirdre Saoirse
On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Deidre L. Calarco wrote: > Actually, it's frightening how some of the engineers I work with talk about > their wives - in a really condescending way, as though the women are > complete idiots and computers and technical stuff are completely beyond > their grasp. These are guy

Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Deidre L. Calarco
> For those women out there who are married, how many > of you are with people who are clueless about the > technical side of your nature and have no interest in it? > My guess would be it ranges from not many to none. > This street runs both ways, many guys find it frustrating > that society gene

Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Blackjax
In support of this I'd like to say that I agree. If all women were 'womanly' in the traditional way, it would be a hard, lonely world for me and others like me. Some people like women who act like what mainstream society often says women should act like, others don't. Personal experience has sh